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What are your thoughts about robots doing certain jobs rather than humans?

I didn't fully read this article but skimmed it - seemed repetitive

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DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
The last paragraph sums it up.

[quote]Because even the most ardent robot lovers will agree, there are plenty of cases of badly deployed automation; systems that make our lives worse and more inefficient, and that kill jobs en route to worse outcomes. (I call this shitty automation, and from where I’m sitting, it’s abundant.) And such automated regression is often implemented under the logic of ‘robots are coming,’ so better hop aboard. We will be able to make better decisions about embracing effective automation if we understand that, in practice, ‘the robots are coming for our jobs’ usually means something more like ‘a CEO wants to cut his operating budget by 15 percent and was just pitched on enterprise software that promises to do the work currently done by thirty employees in accounts payable.’[/quote]

It's the CEO's that make the decision. Yet the very obsession with all the articles about "the robots are coming, the robots are coming" just might make the whole situation worse than it really is.

There is some sense to this. The more we repeat it, the more likely it is to happen.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@Phire1 It's the psychology of the whole situation, not the actual technology, that is the problem.

Not with you per say. Rather the workers and even the CEOs.

The more they hear it, the more they become afraid. With the workers it the fear of loosing their own jobs.

With the CEOs, it the fear of loosing out to the competition. And the fear is only multiplied by such professional Articles on both parties accounts (both CEO and employees).
Phire1 · 51-55, F
@DeWayfarer There is already kiosk type of ordering in fast food places...
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@Phire1 Yes I know. Even in major companies have "McDonald's" kiosks right on site.
SW-User
I read some of it, but i don't see how it could work economically speaking. If every worker lost their jobs to robots then there would be nobody with money to buy their products so the companies run by robots would go broke or else have to pay huge taxes to support welfare so the unemployed workers could afford their products.
UndeadPrivateer · 31-35, M
@SW-User Yeah. I agree wholeheartedly with that sentiment, how one goes from capitalism to post-capitalism is really difficult. How one sets up a system from within a capitalistic society that is not driven by capitalist ideas is difficult to even conceptually wrap one's head around. But it is something we don't really have a choice in, this current trajectory already has us well into the realm of unsustainability. We're already starting to hit the point where so much wealth has been locked out of the system that the majority of the population can't afford anything more than basic cost of living. If we keep going like this it [i]will[/i] drop below even that threshold.
SW-User
@UndeadPrivateer Yes exactly. I think the solution is with the most wealthy capitalists as they stand to lose the most if they can't get their businesses to adapt to the changes yet i don't hold a lot of confidence that they will be pro active with this. So i think there will be a lot of suffering before things improve for society overall.
UndeadPrivateer · 31-35, M
@SW-User I tend to agree with that assessment. Might even end up with some French Revolution style streets running with blood if they're not careful.
Cierzo · M
Robots will destroy some jobs and create others. I am less negative about this process than I was in the past, since I think it will be mostly repetitive and dangerous works robots will take over.

Moreover, I think the need to be creative not to be surpassed by AI may help our minds to overcome the stagnation in intelligence they are going through.
Phire1 · 51-55, F
@Cierzo Have you checked out the Appalachian area? (it's just one example)
Cierzo · M
@Phire1 I am not American, and do not know how things are there
Phire1 · 51-55, F
@Cierzo Oh, ok
SW-User
The same effect other new technologies had in the workforce will happen again. Some jobs died, others were created.

When we got vehicles, new jobs were invented and truck driving became popular.
When we got the internet, new jobs were invented and we got all sort of web designers, server managers and so on.
When we got smartphones, the app industry boomed.
Etc...

Some jobs will be done by robots, resourceful people will adapt, new jobs will be invented.

We are still very far from a reality where humans are obsolete, in terms of jobs.
Phire1 · 51-55, F
@SW-User The article made it sound like management wants to make humans obsolete for certain jobs
What they're talking about is the distinction between robots and managers taking over jobs. It won't be robots themselves, it's "Business-to-business salesmen...managers ...CEOs...they’re the ones coming for your job." It's all about the almighty dollar.

From what I've seen in the business world as a computer specialist for the past several years, my thoughts are that eventually yes - many jobs that [b][i]can be [/i][/b]replaced by robots and artificial intelligence [b][i]will be[/i][/b] replaced. I hope the fact that I repair said computers and have operated robotic equipment in the past I will still have gainful employment.

https://gizmodo.com/robots-are-not-coming-for-your-job-management-is-1835127820?utm_source=pocket-newtab
Good question. My business degree trained me to think bottom-line about business decisions. CEOs and business managers must find ways to make operations more efficient and cost-effective in the interest of [b][i]profit[/i][/b]. Aside from using cheap labor (sweat shops), robots and automated production systems don't require 1) a salary, 2) vacation time, 3) medical/dental/vision benefits, 4) breaks, 5) training, 6) cop time, 7) direct supervision, 8) 401Ks, 9) insurance, 10) time off; I could on but all of this costs them money that they'd rather pay their stockholders and keep themselves.

Machines only need elictricity and maintenance costs which are significantly below paying employees. So the answer is pretty clear from a business perspective.
Phire1 · 51-55, F
@DudeistPriest Yeah, more of "I don't give a fuck about you, only my money"
@Phire1 Agreed. It's always been about power, hasn't it?
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Phire1 · 51-55, F
@SW-User Yeah, I had to look up Tolpuddle Martyrs - care to explain in your words?

Human free world?
AlasPoorYorick · 51-55, M
Sarah Connor won’t let that happen
@Phire1 I read about that too. They (business owners) installed giant nets around the building until the suicide jumps stopped. Check out the nets:

Heartless. They would never stand for that here in the US.
Phire1 · 51-55, F
AlasPoorYorick · 51-55, M
Yes, their shoes were called sabots, @DudeistPriest hence the term sabotage
Doomflower · 36-40, M
Eventually AI will take over most jobs and humans will sit in floaty chairs drinking big gulps watching screens. Basically Wall-E is our future.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
Not an image link
Phire1 · 51-55, F
@DeWayfarer I checked. Didn't see anything about that.
It did ask me about enabling the link I posted here, I clicked "ok"
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@Phire1 Will get back to you on this. Need to check something out first. Your link still has an "image" tag, so something doesn't make sense to me.
Phire1 · 51-55, F
@DeWayfarer Thank you for your help!
SW-User
It's good as long as you're not the one losing job because robot can do the same job
Wishingwellguy · 46-50, M
As mankind becomes more lazy the robot will endeavour to fill the gap in the increasing need for faster and more efficient productivity , but science, medical innovation will slow dramatically in the next 10 year , it has too
Phire1 · 51-55, F
@Wishingwellguy Is it really about "lazy" people, or is it about management not wanting to deal with humans' life issues
TeirdalinFirefall · 31-35, M
@Phire1 Well, perhaps humans are just obsolete.
Phire1 · 51-55, F
UndeadPrivateer · 31-35, M
Post-capitalism ahoy.
MartinTheFirst · 22-25, M
I believe that it's bad for a lot of stupid people and a lot of smart but uneducated people.

However it's undeniably the next step for us humans, allowing us to spend more time learning things that will benefit us more and hopefully give us more time on our hands.

The danger is in people treating the change of education and jobs as if it's the new factory-worker lvl
of work after a while. That way we won't get more time on our hands doing more precious things, but we'll fill our time with even more unimportant work in order to scrape together a livelyhood.

We need to remember that robots are not to capitalize on, but supposed to make food and products cheaper.
Phire1 · 51-55, F
@MartinTheFirst What makes you think people are "stupid?"
MartinTheFirst · 22-25, M
@Phire1 yikes
Phire1 · 51-55, F
@MartinTheFirst It's an interesting use of a word

 
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