How did evolution ever begin without the help of a sentient being creating it or atleast helping it out. Given all our technology we can't recreate it
Creationists commonly doctor the Second Law of Thermodynamics to claim that biological evolution, an increase in order over time, is physically impossible. The part of the law they omit is “in a closed system.” Organisms are open systems: they capture energy from the sun, food, or ocean vents to carve out temporary pockets of order in their bodies and nests while they dump heat and waste into the environment, increasing disorder in the world as a whole. Organisms’ use of energy to maintain their integrity against the press of entropy is a modern explanation of the principle of conatus (effort or striving), which Spinoza defined as “the endeavor to persist and flourish in one’s own being,” and which was a foundation of several Enlightenment-era theories of life and mind.7
You are right. And there is a lot much to say, from both Biology and Physics. The concept of relativelly closed while simultaneously open Systems. Wich is in the core of life. The concept of Negentropy. The trend to aggregation and increase of complexity that is observed as being intrinsic to the Universe since ever and as a physical fact as Entropy. Well, what they conveniently forget is no more than...Science.
@Lostpoet I´m not talking at all about Qanta States nor related.
Negentropy...is the trend that, using Entropy (another name for the Second Law of Thermodynamics) as a source of Energy do the opposite. Like the interesting facts that (just as one example) the first element to appear (once the only one and still the most abundant) is the simpler, Hydrogen. All the more aggregated appeared later in a non linnear but clear trend of increasing complexity.
@Lostpoet The gravitational waves associated with ALSO supernovas are part of the physical mechanism on how that happened, right. Both, the second law and negentropy have basis on more "local" particular phenomena. Neither Entropy acts inmaterially. The only place where it "happens" is in the "ink" with which we write the formulation of the Natural Laws.
But, in the great scenario, there is a trend that we call Entropy (2nd. Law) and ALSO an opposite one. Both present in each and even the same events. Just like a Supernova IS also an Entropic phenomena wich. in the "other hand" causes some Negentropic effects.
@CharlieZ I've heard about the silicate how it's more abundant in the universe so it's more likely than our carbon life forms to have evolved around the universe.
@Lostpoet Not really more probable, abundance is not the only nor the main factor. Life (the closed / open stuff about systems) deppends on the interaction of two opposite forces (yes, you gessed it, the ones I´ve mentioned before): Stability and Reactivity. Both, silicates and carbon provide long stable self ensambled molecular chains. And both some reactivity / posible bonds with other chemicals. But silicates, at least in known conditions, is too stable, at expenses of external chemical / energetic interactions. So, carbon seems to be, at least as we know, the "choosen" one.
Silicate based crystals, even so, use to form "colonies" with a very slow growing and some behaviours that, as a very very very very slow motion movie, may have features in common with living colonial organisms, when present inside "enviroments" like argillaceous soils. That do not say that there may be silicate based life. But may have provided a structural "skeleton" / shelter / predecesor conditions for a begining not still developed carbón organisms.
@MrBrownstone That still makes more sense to me than just after billions of years shit just started coming together. I know Pinkston gives the answer that "Organisms’ use of energy to maintain their integrity against the press of entropy" is a modern explanation. But how did even the tiniest structure of life the cell which is more complex and has more parts than a watch ever come to be?
@Lostpoet you're not even trying. I spent years learning molecular biology. Your JAQing is specious. You literally should get educated with an actual biology text book. You don't even know the scope if what's known.
@GoldenWorm I remember a little bit of biology from highschool. But I should have looked up self template molecules. I thought you were talking about how mass attracts matter.
