I've just heard about the "incel" movement on the radio.

@MarkPaul

They also feel that ONLY they have experienced roadblocks.

Quakertrucker

That's an interesting point. Thank you

@Quakertrucker That's a good point. They tend to view everything that has happened to them in isolation and only happening to them. They can't conceive anyone has problems connecting with others on the level that they are on. So, instead of recognizing they are actually in company of others who may be suffering in quiet desperation, they veer off into a realm where they are suffering the most and it acts as fuel to the injustice they feel and the retribution they feel justified in seeking.

@Notanymore However, you succeeded at one point. I haven't - hence, the 'involuntary celibate', in case you have forgotten. You got some. I haven't. When you haven't gotten any in decades no matter what you have tried, then maybe you can begin to understand what it feels like. You at one point were accepted, loved. I've never had that kind of moment. I've always struggled. I've always questioned. And I don't appreciate your belittling my situation with a dismissive wave of your currently married hand by saying all we need to do is be more presentable. Whatever happened to 'Be yourself'? Just bullshit to keep women to yourself? Even if I be a better version of myself it's not good enough. How far does one have to go? How far does one have to change and become less of who they are in order to achieve a date, or even a night with a woman?

([i]Note: 'Chad' and 'Stacy' are Incel slang for the guy who gets the girl and the gotten girl, respectively[/i])

@SW-User hey there mech. sorry about that period of silence..... sleep was necessary, and would not be delayed.

I don't think you know how similar you and I are and that's understandable. You've been done pretty wrong in the past and that really hurts! But obviously you're unhappy! Unhappy enough to go to extremes. How about trying?.... I'm going to offer you a 100% money back guarantee of success. All for the low price of nothing, I can promise that if you do some different for once, you'll have different results.

I want to do this, to help you! And in part help humanity, because I've been so close to feeling as defeated as yourself! What can it hurt?

Today however is mother's day, it's time to go honor the women in our lives that have given so much as to be a mother. I'm sorry if you don't have your mother still, or if circumstances have estranged you from her.....but surely you can see the beauty, and the sacrifice that many women have made just to be mom!

I'd be happy to continue, and hopefully help you gain a little hope. The choices are always yours to make.

@Notanymore Oh, no, I was still role-playing. 😋 Though I can empathize with the feeling that these men have. I hope you, and others, can see what they're talking about. I would [b][i][u]never[/u][/i][/b] condone or instigate violence against women because I couldn't get a date. The problem is with me, obviously. But for those who take the messages they're given to heart - they're confused and hurting.

@SW-User It's been around now for awhile, quietly under the radar on places like Reddit.

@Notanymore how'd u go about that?

I don't really know yet.....but I've considered some ideas....the problem seems to be finding them.....I think a lot of it is community and acceptance. Maybe offering community.....and working on a more broad view of their own situation.....or building a report with those who are on the fence.....any advice on how to do it or how to go about starting would be great.

@Notanymore ok, I'll keep it in mind!

That's more comforting....but I can see that the draw is there. I think each case barring medical situations can be remedial.

@Notanymore Possibly... but at the same time, each case can quickly escalate. It's like sitting on a box of grenades that have loose ignition pins. These people can go off at any moment. They literally are like terrorists.

True.....I may need help....I definitely need help

@SW-User I agree I'm beginning to learn a lot, and it's kinda sad.

@Crazywaterspring I've heard of people having a really rough time..... I've been through my share of dry spells....but what the hell?

@Notanymore They don't really want help... at the point they acknowledge themselves as "incel" they mainly just want retribution. It's nearly impossible to find them though... they blend in pretty well.

So they're actually taking action to be a counter culture....like the saddest guerilla movement ever?

@Notanymore Well, they feel like they have been "cast-out" so it's not like they enjoy their role of being outside the culture. They feel like they are defending their honor.

@purplepen MGTOW can be Incels that have chosen to abandon the pursuit of women altogether, but in other cases are men who have had bad relationships with women and also said 'I'm done'.

@Zebra132 yeah..... some people here have helped to enlighten me