Do you believe in hell? [Spirituality & Religion]

@NIC0LE Is believing in Jesus Christ enough to get you to Heaven?

@Agent John 3:16 says this, "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life."

@NIC0LE [quote]what He won't do is force you to believe in Him or accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior[/quote]
Do I have to accept Jesus into my heart?

@CopperCicada[quote] 2. Most people, including believers, really don’t care about others. Not really. If they did, then my friend’s grace would have rejoiced them.[/quote]
Sadly...true.

@MsAlaineEYes That is a common reply to me: "Receive Jesus into my heart, before I die or I'll go to hell."
One guy kept pestering me about this, then when I went to a Catholic thread; he showed up, and He said, "that if I prayed the rosary, then I would go to hell."

@Agent Religious psych ops: don't worry about what anyone tells you; find out for yourself. Independent Investigation.

@pride49 Definitely NOT in the way that the interpreters of the Bible say that it exists; literally. I think that figurately; WE MAKE our HEAVEN or HELL right here, right now.

@Graylight So much for God having omnipresence.

@canusernamebemyusername Oh wow. Can He choose not to be present while his nature is being present everywhere? Or does he just keep his back turned toward you at all times?

Interesting philosophical question.

@Graylight I don't know. But I only hear the omnipresence doctrine in certain places among certain people. Most agree on the omnipotence, omniscience and omnibenevolence but only some people add the omnipresence as well. Which leads you to have to believe he is in hell too (I mean it was his creation after all) or modify one of his four God traits. Which if you did would make him not a God to some people. It is an interesting idea. Lol

@SW-User sorry to hear about your grandfather.

However, what you are presenting here is far from definitive even within the medical and scientific communities. First of all, there are countless, documented cases of people suddenly regaining all their faculties before death, Alzheimers patients that were basically infantile or vegetative, suddenly returning to their former, pre-condition states, bed ridden patients suddenly able to stand and walk on their own... there are thousands upon thousands of these accounts.

The other issue is, we don't yet fully understand how consciousness (or the soul) actually works in the brain. How the firing of synapse and neurons leads us to being us mentally and emotionally on the most basic levels. We don't know if all those thoughts and emotions are simply electrical impulses on a cellular level, or if that is merely a means of relaying them to the flesh. In other words, even without the ability to outwardly think and express ones self to the outside world, no one can truly say if our thoughts and emotions carry on or simply cease to exist.

There has been many compelling testimonials of people recovering from catatonic and vegetative states, in which they claim they were fully aware (despite scans saying they shouldn't be), just unable to interact with anyone or anything. Sort of like Stephen Hawking lived his adult life.

@PrivateHell the problem with this is that they’re only testimonials. I saw people die(trough visits to my grandfather) i saw people pumped up on drugs dying of cancer seeing things in the room. It’s not pretty. Think of the brain as a hard drive. All your memory is stored in there. Once that’s gone,everything is gone. If you can show me one example of those thousands who came back online right before death ,only to pass away,i will give you the benefit of the doubt.

No testimonials though please. People can state anything as facts

@SW-User not really. The true problem is, the testimonials and accounts of people being revitalized just before the end, are all we really have to go on. There are very few studies and virtually no means of actually testing either of our points of view. The closest I have ever found was a few years ago researchers (i believe at John Hopkins) were able to conclude that the soul itself has weight. They studied something like 50 people that were in the process of actively dying, carefully monitoring everything from bodily fluids to air intake of the lungs, as they consistently measured the person's body and vitals. In each case, almost immediately upon death, and after factoring in the loss of fluids and oxygen from the lungs, they record a very slight, but consistent drop in the weight of the dying person that seemed to have no explanation. But, it happened in each patient. Was that actually the soul leaving the body? I leave it up to you to decide, because even the experts are uncertain.

@Wolfee Not to those who want vengeance for what that person did to "deserve it", you know that saying "I hope you burn in H***". I believe that there are some merciless people that really HOPE that will happen. Shame on them.

@Adstar I don't see 'eternal place of punishment' in the text

@SW-User [9] And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
[10] The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
[11] And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. Rev 14

@SW-User Anyone who read the Bible can see it.. Unless they are so determined not to see it that they clutch for straws trying to reinterpret plain texts to mean something other then what they really mean..

[b]Revelation 20: KJV[/b]
10 "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

@DunningKruger Do you believe in Heaven?

@Wolfee No.

@adorbz That's about what I believe as a Baha'i. Heaven and Hell is within us...there is an eternity, more than I understood as a christian. There is NO punishment but the consequence of our own heedless choices in life...and no heaven, because we have not allowed "heaven to reign in our hearts" so why should we deserve an "eternal heaven" if we have not made it in this life?

@ninalanyon The Bible, Gods word ofcourse😊.

@Carazaa A book written by human beings, carefully edited to preserve the power structure of the church.

@SW-User Thank you for your answer

@Agent Most welcome

@Carazaa Is there punishment for my sin without Jesus?

@SW-User Law of attraction you're going to hell if you believe in it!

@Wolfee Never said I didn't want to go there hahaha

@SW-User 😶