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Leviticus 19:31 “‘Do not turn to mediums or seek out spiritists, for you will be defiled by them. I am the Lord your God. [Spirituality & Religion]

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Leviticus 20:6 6"'I will set my face against anyone who turns to mediums and spiritists to prostitute themselves by following them, and I will cut them off from their people.

Isaiah 8:19 19When someone tells you to consult mediums and spiritists, who whisper and mutter, should not a people inquire of their God? Why consult the dead on behalf of the living?

1 Chronicles 10:13-14 13Saul died because he was unfaithful to the LORD; he did not keep the word of the LORD and even consulted a medium for guidance, 14and did not inquire of the LORD. So the LORD put him to death and turned the kingdom over to David son of Jesse.[/b]
karysma · 31-35, F
I don't think people understand what happens in the spiritual realm when they consult mediums. One time I thought I was going to see a prophet but I later found out he was a medium hiding behind church. Let me tell you everything got messy after that, I even tried taking my life because my life was chaotic. Never again.
Carazaa · F
@TheWildEcho Good advice!🙏 Some people troll all Christian posts and harass every day. I am so sorry that she is harassing you!
Carazaa · F
@greenmountaingal Thank you for witnessing! 🙏
TheWildEcho · 56-60, M
@Carazaa we both know the ones who do the trolling are the ones missing out on experiencing the love, joy and peace that God gives!
Harriet03 · 41-45, F
Why are we told to be scared of Witches and not the people who burned them alive?! 🤔

Just saying!
Carazaa · F
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ArishMell · 70-79, M
@MarmeeMarch It did ... and before Europeans found out about the Americas and elsewhere, and tried to convert those continent's own residents. Although to be fair they didn't take burning at the stake with them, at least not to North America, as far as I know. I think some of the Spanish conquerors used it in S. America, against some of the local religions' priests.

Didn't stop that Salem "Witches" hysteria though.

Anyway it was far more than the Church and religion that found and condemned "witches" for several hundred years around Europe. Though with at least tacit Church support, it was a sort of "conspiracy fantasy" of the time, based on belief in and fear of anything thought "supernatural" or not "normal".

At one point witch-killing was so rife in France that the Pope stopped it.

In England, most so-called witches were hanged*, not burnt alive. That was reserved for heretics and murderers. Though at least less barbaric, it was still a horrible execution of the innocent, weak and defenceless by the strong but fearful and ignorant.

Very often the witchcraft fear was down to inability to differentiate correlation, or co-incidence, from cause... A lesson still not learnt.

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*"Hanged" is the correct legal term, not "hung"; and in those days by gibbet not gallows.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
The Levites were a bunch who had their motives and have a reputation as a joyless bunch who loved ruling others' lives.

Sill, while I accept believing in God I regard condemning "mediums" and "spiritists" on religious grounds as saying that what they believe in, and the "defiling" they allegedly brought, are real.

You see traces of it even now, when the supermarket corruption of All Hallows Eve elicits po-faced moans from some priests about alleged dangers from supposed ghosts, ghouls and things that go bump in the night. By doing so, rather than just saying how silly such things are, they unwittingly say they are real!

Perhaps the Levites's real motive was religious intolerance. Did they want theirs and theirs alone, to be the "official" faith in a time when many of the older religions had a very heavy emphasis on after-lives with ancestor-worship, grave-goods, [i]post-mortem[/i] "guidance" and the like?

"Professional" mediums were very popular in the late-19C, when far more people were church-goers than not, if by social pressure more than conviction; but one of the first to reveal those mediums as charlatans was the stage-magician and escape-artist Harry Houdini. He could see through their theatricals.

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I accept faiths like Wicca (a simple Nature-worship whose deity is female, to the patriarchal Abrahamists' disgust), too; but I certainly do not believe in the more way-out, rather fey concepts. Ones like ley-lines and their never-described "energy", crystals, model pyramids, whale-"song" magic, astrology, "psychics" and the like. Still, those keep the knick-knack shops in towns like Glastonbury busy (pandemics permitting) with a strange mish-mash of Christian and pre-Christian romanticism.* I do not call them "bad" or "evil" on religious grounds, and hope I never fall into that trap. I just think them as eccentric but mainly harmless.


*Glastonbury is a South-West English town with a very ancient, genuine Christian and probably pre-Christian religious history. It has also become a meeting-place for peculiar myths involving Joseph of Arithmea (sp?) who might have been a real evangelist but is highly unlikely to have visited England, and of a Saxon / early-Mediaeval King Arthur invented by a Mediaeval French novelist. The town and especially its local hill, Glastonbury Tor, topped by a ruined church, attracts all manner of hippy-ish types who believe in such tales.
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@Carazaa I generally prefer the wording of the Authorized Version:

Leviticus 20:6: And the soul that turneth after such as have familiar spirits, and after wizards, to go a whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people.

But there are no spirits, not dead people talking. Mediums should be treated either as entertainers or prosecuted for fraud.

Anyway mediums did succeed in speaking to someone on the other side so to speak then by any sensible up to date 21st century definition someone who can talk to you surely doesn't qualify as dead. We might argue whether they are flatlines or not (see Ken McLeod's Cassini Division) but surely someone who communicates is the very opposite of dead.
Carazaa · F
@ninalanyon Demons can communicate with us. Satan is an angel of light, God says. Be careful!
Sharon · F
@Carazaa Stop being so abusive to Satan. It was He who set us free from the tyranny of your evil god.
senghenydd · M
I've always had an open mind God is love I've always believed that and trust in God.
Carazaa · F
@senghenydd Well the more we trust him the more we love him! Because he is trustworthy!
senghenydd · M
@Carazaa God is our only hope he is love.
Carazaa · F
@senghenydd I agree completely
saintsong · 41-45, F
When I played with tarot cards I sold my soul to the devil! Then Christ Jesus redeemed me!
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@ninalanyon That's fine, thank-you!
Carazaa · F
@ninalanyon I see your point as a person who does not know God, it would appear they are all superstitions right? but if we really believe in the Bible we want to abide by Gods words and according to God it is sin to ask anyone but him for help and there is a punishment for that.
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@Carazaa So you are an atheist too. The only difference is that I believe in one fewer gods than you.

What about all those who believe in a different god, don't they say the same as you that they want to abide by god's words.

[quote]according to God it is sin to ask anyone but him for help and there is a punishment for that.[/quote]
You cannot be serious (please imagine that in John McEnroe's voice). Or does it mean something other than what it plainly says?
JohnRing · 56-60, M
Leviticus 20:27 “Men and women among you who act as mediums or who consult the spirits of the dead must be put to death by stoning. They are guilty of a capital offense.”
Carazaa · F
@ArishMell Jesus the True Vine
…[b]4Remain in Me, and I will remain in you. Just as no branch can bear fruit by itself unless it remains in the vine, neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in Me. 5I am the vine and you are the branches. The one who remains in Me, and I in him, will bear much fruit. For apart from Me you can do nothing. 6If anyone does not remain in Me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers. Such branches are gathered up, thrown into the fire, and burned.…John 15:5[/b]
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Carazaa Oh very poetical. Shame John turned nasty in that last sentence, even if he meant it metaphorically.

Quite the egotist, your Jesus, or God: "Either you worship me or you are valueless". What a delightful message John conveys.
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@ArishMell [quote]might describe as "sin"[/quote]
I rather like Granny Weatherwax's definition: 'Sin is when you start treating people like things.' (quoted from memory so do look it up before repeating it).
Adstar · 56-60, M
Seeking after them only opens the door to demonic oppression and possession..
Carazaa · F
@Adstar Good point!
morrgin · F
@Adstar I fully agree
Entwistle · 56-60, M
How come no faith healers are working in hospitals? How come no fortune tellers win the lottery?
It's all mumbo jumbo.
Carazaa · F
@Entwistle I was cured by praying! They have done praying studies and yes people are cured that don't even know that anyone is praying for them all the time.
Entwistle · 56-60, M
@Carazaa I'm pleased you were cured but you definitely weren't cured by praying.
Carazaa · F
@Entwistle I believe I was!
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Sharon · F
@Carazaa Where have I lied? I'm just stating facts. Looks like you're the liar here!
Carazaa · F
@Sharon You just did.
Sharon · F
@Carazaa Where? Looks like you're still lying.
Entwistle · 56-60, M
I've done the Ouja Board,Tarot Cards and a Seance..we tried conjuring up the Goat of Mendes.
Nothing happened,it's all a load of horse shit.
DeluxedEdition · 26-30, F
@Entwistle that’s what’s wrong with you 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Entwistle · 56-60, M
@DeluxedEdition You finding fault with others? You casting the first stone? There's a surprise.
yeronlyman · 51-55, M
I follow logic and science
yeronlyman · 51-55, M
@Carazaa Yada yada yada

Good luck with the cult
Carazaa · F
@yeronlyman Me too, I follow logic too!
Ryannnnnn · 31-35, M
@yeronlyman Heretic!
Harriet03 · 41-45, F
What about small, large & extra large? 🤔
Entwistle · 56-60, M
@Harriet03 A psychic dwarf fraudster escaped from prison here recently. The newspaper headline read "Small Medium At Large".
JohnRing · 56-60, M
Leviticus 19:33,34 – “When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.”
Carazaa · F
@JohnRing That's right! Thank you!🙏
Carazaa · F
@JohnRing I hope you understand that all the stories have spiritual lessons for us. And the wages of sin is always death. Even today! [b]"The wages of sin is death"[/b] But God punishes us, and after Jesus came to take our sins on his shoulders we are to love our enemies! 💞
DeluxedEdition · 26-30, F
The ignorance in this post is astonishing
Carazaa · F
@DeluxedEdition OK great!
DeluxedEdition · 26-30, F
@Carazaa what does the verse mean when it says prostituting yourself?
Carazaa · F
@DeluxedEdition
Jesus calls us his bride if we are saved. He takes really good care of us when we put him first and are thankful to him for all we have. This is why he even died to buy us back when we sinned. We are bought with a high price!

If you have a mate that you love and you look forward to hugging tonight but your mate spends time with another person that just wants some sex or free meals how would you feel? You might feel like oh my gosh why is my mate prostituting himself for a person who does not care as much as I about him/her. God asks us "why do you pray to gods that do not hear?" He wants to answer all our prayers but we are not always talking to him."

God illustrated this when he asked Joshua to marry a prostitute. She went whoring around town every night, and one night she did not come home. Joshua loved her and went looking for her, and he found her in the town square. Men were taking bids for her, so Joshua put in the highest bid. He bought her back.
Carazaa · F
@Iwillwait You need more fun 😉
Iwillwait · M
@Carazaa Agreed.
Carazaa · F
@Iwillwait Good night! Talk to you tomorrow!
Ofcourse who wants to play with ghosts. 😂
Carazaa · F
Sharon · F
@littlepuppywantanewlife Like the one that's alleged to have impregnated a 12 - 14 year old Jewish girl?
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Carazaa · F
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow That's God giving the Jews the message that we need God and if we do not have God we will die. These stories have spiritual meanings. And God is giving us a message that we are hopelessly lost without him, because we are sinful. And we are cursed if we have a single sin ever. But with Jesus he made us spotless!
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