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Most fossils formed because of:
Rapidly burial (to preserve it).
Burial in mud or other sediment (for mineral replacement).
Fossil Rapid Burial
The worldwide flood rapidly buried millions of plants and animals, creating the right conditions for fossils to form. Typically when an animal dies, it decomposes or is scattered by scavengers over time. However, the fossils found in sedimentary layers were buried instantly. Fossils such as fish eating or giving birth appear to have been frozen in time without warning. Fossilized jellyfish must have been rapidly buried because their soft bodies float and decay within hours of death. The top mile of the Earth's surface is covered with sedimentary layers full of fossils that could not have formed by a slow and gradual process.
Jellyfish FossilJellyfish fossil from Wisconsin.Diplomystus Dentatus with Knightia in its MouthFossil Diplomystus dentatus with Knightia fish in its mouth.Ichthyosaur Giving BirthFossil Ichthyosaur that was buried while giving birth.
Geologic Column
Textbook Sedimentary Layers Geologic ColumnGeologic layers showing sorted fossils. Image: Answers in Genesis
The worldwide flood would have buried plants and animals based on their habitat and sorted them based on density and mobility. The reason clams and trilobites are at the bottom is because they live at the bottom. The reason humans and birds are on the top is because they live on the top and are mobile enough to seek higher ground. Many times the evolutionary “ancestor” is found in higher strata. The “fossil record” in reality does not “record” any information on the age of a fossil, but it is evidence that there was a large amount of water.
Mountain Top Sea Fossils
Himalayan Fossil Ammonite from Langza Spiti ValleyHimalayan fossil ammonite from Spiti Valley. Image: Seemant Saxena
Genesis 7:20 says that during the flood, all the mountains were covered with water. Clams, ammonites, and other marine fossils are found in almost all sedimentary layers, including on top of the Himalayas, Andes, Rockies, and most other mountain ranges. At the end of the flood, crust movement folded the mountains, pushing the fossil layers up to 2 miles above sea level. The catastrophic flood is the reason why the majority of marine fossil layers are found on the continents, and not in the ocean basins.
Fossil Stasis
Fossils Stasis - Bat, Crayfish, Turtle, Dragonfly, Coelacanth, Horseshoe CrabBats, crayfish, turtles, dragonflies, coelacanth, horseshoe crabs and many other fossils have been found showing no signs of evolution.
Almost all fossils, including those in the lowest layers, appear abruptly and fully formed, showing no sign of evolution. These fossils have no transitional forms, and many of them have survived almost unchanged until today. This evidence is consistent with the Bible's account of special creation and does not support the idea that one animal changes to another over long periods of time.
Polystrate Fossils
Polystrate fossil tree. Top has been petrified, bottom has been turned to coal.Polystrate fossil tree. Top has been petrified, bottom has been turned to coal.Trees sinking into sediment forming polystrate fossils.Trees sinking into sediment forming polystrate fossils.
Many places around the world contain polystrate tree fossils that extend through multiple layers. These layers must have formed rapidly because it is not possible for trees to remain vertical for thousands of years while layers form around them. After the eruption at Mt. Saint Helens blew down large forests, scientists observed floating logs that become water-saturated and sink in the vertical position. Large deposits of polystrate tree fossils without branches or roots are evidence that floating trees were rapidly deposited in a large flood.
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Posted on April 27, 2020By MikePosted in Earth Age, Religion
Although the thought of a worldwide flood that wiped out almost all plant and animal life on earth and then buried it in the rocks may seem incredible, that is exactly what Genesis and Psalms say happened,1 what Jesus and the apostles believed 2 and what the geological evidence supports. The Bible also talks about the “deeps” being broken up, and the earth divided or “spread out.” 3 This likely refers to the oceanic ridges being broken up and where the continents appear to have been split apart: perhaps in a short period of time.
Such a flood is also described in literature or legend in over 200 different civilizations from around the world; however, in this short paper we will focus only on the geological evidence that points to such an event and what it means for us today.
Worldwide Flood or Miracle?
The fact that many of the same types of fossils are found all over the world, in the same order, suggests that the whole world was once under water. We say this because water is required to deposit sedimentary rocks, and because rapid burial is required to preserve fossils, and because some of the layers are the size of Nevada, and because there is virtually no evidence of time (or erosion) between the layers, but rather they appear to have been laid down like pancakes: one on top of the other. And since many layers also contain marine fossils, they must have been the result of an intercontinental or worldwide flood.
Consider a quote by Curt Teichert published in a Bulletin of the Geological Society of America.
“Such a hypothesis would require… a highly unlikely pattern of… migrations, where swarms of species of Manticoceras are followed, everywhere at the same distance and the same time interval, by swarms of species of Cheiloceras, the two waves preserving their separate identities on a staggered mass migration around the world… without evolutionary changes and without ever becoming mixed…”
“It would be easy to repeat this investigation for almost every critical zone fossil… throughout the geological column for hundreds, perhaps thousands of… cases… In the words of Jeletsky… we would have to ‘invoke a miracle’… to assume anything but worldwide contemporaneous deposition for each of the 55 ammonite zones of the Jurassic. Not all … occur everywhere, but wherever two or more are found in superposition they occur in the same order.
Two Vastly Different Views:
Let’s not kid ourselves. What this is all about is whether or not the Old Testament book of Genesis (along with the rest of the Old Testament, and the New Testament) is an accurate account of what happened around 4600 years ago with regard to a worldwide flood and about 6000 years ago with regard to Creation itself. Is the Bible accurate and true or is it just a book of allegorical stories?
Was the great majority of the world’s sedimentary strata laid down by a single Worldwide Deluge in a short amount of time, or is the evolutionary scenario of slow change, acting over eons of TIME and the associated Geological Time Chart (with its millions and millions of years) a more accurate account of Earth history and how we came to be?
This is also about God’s future judgment of mankind and the return of Jesus to rule over the Earth — that God and He created — and to which He compared to the Days of Noah and the Flood. See Luke 17:20-27, 19:11-27; John 5:22-23, 12:32, and Rev. 22:12.
Let’s Look at the Evidence:
The following are 18 Evidences of either massive flooding and erosion, extremely rapid layering of strata, or direct evidence of a Worldwide Flood. Such evidences are found in numerous places on virtually every Continent.
Polystrate Fossils:
Upright Fossil Tree crossing multiple layers of rock strata One of the strongest pieces of evidence for a worldwide flood is the existence of what Rupke termed “polystrate fossils.” Such fossils are found all over the world: especially in and around coal seams. They are often in the form of fossil trees that were buried upright and which often cross multiple layers of strata such as sandstone, shale, limestone and even coal beds. 1,2,3,4 They range in size from small rootlets to trees over 80 feet long. Sometimes they are oblique (or at an angle to) the surrounding strata, but more often they are perpendicular with (or standing ‘upright’ in) it. For example, at Joggins, Nova Scotia, polystrate tree (and root) fossils are found at various intervals throughout roughly 2,500 feet of strata. Many of the trees are from 10-20 feet long, 5,6 and at least one was 40 feet long. 5,6,7
Very few of these upright fossil trees have attached roots, and only about 1 in 50 8 have both roots and rootlets attached. Such trees, and their missing roots are discussed in detail in an article on ‘Fossil Forests‘.9 Likewise many, if not most, of the large, fragmented, and broken-off Stigmaria roots (of these trees) are also missing their rootlets. In fact, that’s how the word “stigmaria” (roots) got its name: i.e. because of the scar marks left behind from the broken off (and now missing) rootlets. 9
Many of these roots and rootlets are also buried individually. 9 Thus virtually proving that neither the trees themselves, nor their rootlets were buried in the place where they grew, or “in situ,” but were uprooted and re-buried where they are now found.
Similar circumstances occur elsewhere in Nova Scotia and other Canadian provinces, as well as the United States, South America, Europe, China, Russia, and Australia. Buried tree stumps are also found on Axel Heiberg 10,11 Island in Northern Canada and wherever coal seams are found.
And although there is much data on buried trees in the geological literature, much of it is from books that are over 100 years old. One of the first articles on this subject was by Rupke, and in it he comments that:
“Personally, I am of the opinion that … polystrate fossils constitute a crucial phenomenon both to the actuality and the mechanism of cataclysmic deposition. Curiously a paper on polystrate fossils appears to be a ‘black swan’ in geological literature. Antecedent to this synopsis a systematic discussion of the relevant phenomena was never published. However, geologists must have been informed about these fossils. In view of this it seems unintelligible that uniformitarianism has kept its dominant position.” 12
With regard to Rupke’s observation, I suspect the reason why such is still the case has more to do with a pervasive bias against any and all evidence for a Creator to whom we may one day have to give account than to the ever-mounting evidence against the theory of evolution and the millions and millions of years that such a belief needs to make it seem true.
See also Organic levels of the Yellowstone Petrified Forest 13 and The Yellowstone Petrified Forests 14.
The Fossils Themselves:
Fossils don’t form on lake bottoms today, nor are they found forming on the bottom of the sea. 15 Instead, they normally only form when a plant or animal is buried soon after it dies. 16 Therefore, the fossils themselves are evidence of a catastrophe such as a flood or volcanic eruption that took place in the past. Rapid Petrification of Wood
Clastic Dikes:
Clastic Dike: Pre-hardened rock forced up through overlying strata According to Austin, a clastic dike is:
“a cross cutting body of sedimentary material which has been intruded into a foreign rock mass.” 17
“These dikes…(may) penetrate horizontal sedimentary strata (or) they may occur… in igneous and metamorphic rocks. The process of formation of a clastic dike is analogous to wet sand oozing up between ones toes, but on a much larger scale.” 17
Clastic dikes present a problem to the “mythions of years” mindset of evolution in that massive “older” sediments are found intruding up into overlying younger strata. This must have occurred while the “older” sediments were still in a plastic state. This is clearly brought out in a book on this subject by Dr. John Morris on this same subject: i.e. on the Age of the Earth.
What took these “older” sediments so long to become hard?
One would think that a million years would be more than enough time to turn massive sand laden sediments into sandstone, yet we have an example of sediments which are said to be 80 million years older than those above them, and yet they still had not become hard, but were in a wet and plastic state when an earth movement caused them to be forced up into the (supposedly much) younger sediments. Such things not only present serious problems for the evolutionary method of “dating”, but also tell us that something is wrong with the millions of years mindset of evolutionary theory itself, and thus cause strong suspicion that we are not being told the truth by the mass media, nor the “Scientific” community of believers in evolution. 17,18,19
Mt. St. Helens:
Three separate eruptions at Mount St. Helens produced sedimentary-type layers hundreds of feet thick. One of these was a hurricane velocity deposit that produced thousands of thin laminations up to 25 feet thick. The third eruption was a lava flow, which turned into a hot mud-flow as it crossed the Toutle River. This hot mud flow not only diverted the river, but carved a 17 mile long series of canyons (up to 140 feet deep) in a matter of hours. They call it the Little Grand Canyon of the Toutle River.” 20,21,22 And to this very day, neither the mass media, nor any popular “science” publications have told the public what happened. 23 See also Mt. St. Helens: Evidence in Support of Catastrophe.
Palouse Canyon:
In Eastern Washington State there is a canyon that was eroded through solid basalt by Lake Missoula floods in 1-2 days. This canyon is 300 to 500 feet deep. 24,25,26,27,28
An Australian Beach:
At Greenmount Beach on the Gold Coast of Queensland, an interesting thing occurred:
“clear laminations, or layering, in the sand–formed by the separation of normal silica-sand grains and smaller, denser mineral sand-grains such as rutile which are dark in color.. The layering was present along the whole sand mass exposed.” 29
“This was produced as a result of a beach restoration project (which involved) the dredging of sand from (a) sand bar (on) the Tweed River and carrying it by ship several kilometres north to the southern Gold Coast beaches, where it was pumped ashore as a water/sand slurry through a large pipe to the beach.” 29
See also Talking About Geology / Varves. 30
Spontaneous Sorting of Layers:
Laboratory experiments have shown that spontaneous sorting and layering occurs with a sand, mud and clay slurry. When the mixture slows down, the sand, mud and clay will spontaneously precipitate (or settle out) and form individual layers. Dr. Guy Berthault has performed a number of experiments which demonstrate this. 31,32,33 See following links for more info and visual documentation: Evolution: Fact or Belief?, Experiments in Stratification, and Sedimentation Experiments.
Turbidity Currents:
A turbidity current is an underwater mud flow, the discovery of which caused somewhat of a revolution in geology. As a result, many sedimentary strata layers throughout the world have been reevaluated and found to be turbidites. 34,35,36,37,38,39,40
For example, regarding turbidites and the impact they are having on modern Geology, Kurt Howard 41 said the following in his paper on this topic:
My physical geology professor said, “Regarding uniformitarianism, you can take it with a grain of salt.” After reviewing geology texts on the subject of turbidites, I am following the … professor’s advice. To paraphrase his words, I am taking uniformitarianism with a grain of sand, for the philosophy of uniformitarianism states that sedimentary layers form over many millions of years, while … recent research has shown that turbidites form within a few hours. {1}
In 1972 Burgert identified several lower basal Tapeats units as turbidites in Grand Canyon’s Cheops Bay. Dr. Ariel Roth a geologist at Loma Linda University’s Geoscience Institute, suggested that 30% of all sedimentary rocks in Grand Canyon are turbidites. Some geologists suggest that 50% of the world’s sedimentary rocks might be turbidites.
Modern geologists discarded the terms flysch sediments and geosyncline because rapidly formed megathick flysch is incompatible with uniformitarianism and long ages. However, in the last few years, the number of geologists abandoning the classical uniformitarian discipline and adopting the new catastrophism is almost a shock to … creationists. Geologists are finally beginning to grudgingly agree with … creationists about the nature of the stratigraphic record, which is a record of major catastrophic events and not the slow year-by-year buildup suggested by uniformitarianism. Flysch deposits might be the sedimentary results of a global flood. The idea of geosynclines is unpopular because most geologists believe in plate tectonics. Emphasis Added
Extensive Strata and Pancake Layering:
As we observe sedimentary strata throughout the world we see almost everywhere flat-lying (or “pancake”) layered strata. Many of these layers are so extensive that they cover several states. For example, the Tapeats Sandstone covers over half of the United States, and drawings from Dana’s Manual of Geology depict over 90 percent of the United States and Mexico, and half of Canada under water. We also know that the Grand Canyon was once under the ocean because of the marine fossils that have been found there.
Drawing depicting over 90 percent of US under waterEvolutionists believe that such layers were deposited slowly over millions and millions of years. Some claim that much of the strata is simply “river” deposits or river deltas. 42,43 Creationists and a growing number of geologists see problems with such interpretations. 44,45 First because there is virtually no evidence of erosion between the layers, and second, because the sheer size and extent of the layers tells us that they could not have been formed by rivers, nor river deltas. That’s because many of the “layers” are quite thick and cover literally thousands of square miles.
This, coupled with the presence of marine fossils that are buried in many of the layers, tells us that they were deposited by ocean currents by a flood or floods like nothing we have seen in moderns times.
We can say for certain that it was the ocean (as opposed to a lake) because of the marine fossils that are buried in much of this strata. For example, in the Grand Canyon area itself, old Earth geologists have said that the Ocean swept over the whole area on six different occasions. Young Earth geologists say it was probably only once.
A Whale of a Fossil:
Or should we say “a fossil of a whale? It’s true, but what is most interesting about it is how it was buried.
Answers in GenesisInstitute for Creation ResearchCreation Ministries InternationalCreation TodayWhat's The Evidence
Fossils Confirm the Biblical Creation & the Genesis Flood
Fossil Fish Eating Fish
Most fossils formed because of:
Rapidly burial (to preserve it).
Burial in mud or other sediment (for mineral replacement).
Fossil Rapid Burial
The worldwide flood rapidly buried millions of plants and animals, creating the right conditions for fossils to form. Typically when an animal dies, it decomposes or is scattered by scavengers over time. However, the fossils found in sedimentary layers were buried instantly. Fossils such as fish eating or giving birth appear to have been frozen in time without warning. Fossilized jellyfish must have been rapidly buried because their soft bodies float and decay within hours of death. The top mile of the Earth's surface is covered with sedimentary layers full of fossils that could not have formed by a slow and gradual process.
Jellyfish FossilJellyfish fossil from Wisconsin.Diplomystus Dentatus with Knightia in its MouthFossil Diplomystus dentatus with Knightia fish in its mouth.Ichthyosaur Giving BirthFossil Ichthyosaur that was buried while giving birth.
Geologic Column
Textbook Sedimentary Layers Geologic ColumnGeologic layers showing sorted fossils. Image: Answers in Genesis
The worldwide flood would have buried plants and animals based on their habitat and sorted them based on density and mobility. The reason clams and trilobites are at the bottom is because they live at the bottom. The reason humans and birds are on the top is because they live on the top and are mobile enough to seek higher ground. Many times the evolutionary “ancestor” is found in higher strata. The “fossil record” in reality does not “record” any information on the age of a fossil, but it is evidence that there was a large amount of water.
Mountain Top Sea Fossils
Himalayan Fossil Ammonite from Langza Spiti ValleyHimalayan fossil ammonite from Spiti Valley. Image: Seemant Saxena
Genesis 7:20 says that during the flood, all the mountains were covered with water. Clams, ammonites, and other marine fossils are found in almost all sedimentary layers, including on top of the Himalayas, Andes, Rockies, and most other mountain ranges. At the end of the flood, crust movement folded the mountains, pushing the fossil layers up to 2 miles above sea level. The catastrophic flood is the reason why the majority of marine fossil layers are found on the continents, and not in the ocean basins.
Fossil Stasis
Fossils Stasis - Bat, Crayfish, Turtle, Dragonfly, Coelacanth, Horseshoe CrabBats, crayfish, turtles, dragonflies, coelacanth, horseshoe crabs and many other fossils have been found showing no signs of evolution.
Almost all fossils, including those in the lowest layers, appear abruptly and fully formed, showing no sign of evolution. These fossils have no transitional forms, and many of them have survived almost unchanged until today. This evidence is consistent with the Bible's account of special creation and does not support the idea that one animal changes to another over long periods of time.
Polystrate Fossils
Polystrate fossil tree. Top has been petrified, bottom has been turned to coal.Polystrate fossil tree. Top has been petrified, bottom has been turned to coal.Trees sinking into sediment forming polystrate fossils.Trees sinking into sediment forming polystrate fossils.
Many places around the world contain polystrate tree fossils that extend through multiple layers. These layers must have formed rapidly because it is not possible for trees to remain vertical for thousands of years while layers form around them. After the eruption at Mt. Saint Helens blew down large forests, scientists observed floating logs that become water-saturated and sink in the vertical position. Large deposits of polystrate tree fossils without branches or roots are evidence that floating trees were rapidly deposited in a large flood.
External Links:
Images from nps.gov and wikimedia.org.
Fossils Confirm the Bibles Historical Account of a Literal Creation and the Genesis Flood
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Was Adam a Real Person?AmberCarbon-14 Dating Confirms Earth is YoungCat KindWhat Happened to the Dinosaurs?Flood FossilsThe Butterfly is God's DesignEvolution is not ScienceShark Teeth FossilsWorldwide Flood - Noah's ArkYoung UniverseEvolutions Population Problem
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Scientific Evidence for a worldwide flood
Posted on April 27, 2020By MikePosted in Earth Age, Religion
Although the thought of a worldwide flood that wiped out almost all plant and animal life on earth and then buried it in the rocks may seem incredible, that is exactly what Genesis and Psalms say happened,1 what Jesus and the apostles believed 2 and what the geological evidence supports. The Bible also talks about the “deeps” being broken up, and the earth divided or “spread out.” 3 This likely refers to the oceanic ridges being broken up and where the continents appear to have been split apart: perhaps in a short period of time.
Such a flood is also described in literature or legend in over 200 different civilizations from around the world; however, in this short paper we will focus only on the geological evidence that points to such an event and what it means for us today.
Worldwide Flood or Miracle?
The fact that many of the same types of fossils are found all over the world, in the same order, suggests that the whole world was once under water. We say this because water is required to deposit sedimentary rocks, and because rapid burial is required to preserve fossils, and because some of the layers are the size of Nevada, and because there is virtually no evidence of time (or erosion) between the layers, but rather they appear to have been laid down like pancakes: one on top of the other. And since many layers also contain marine fossils, they must have been the result of an intercontinental or worldwide flood.
Consider a quote by Curt Teichert published in a Bulletin of the Geological Society of America.
“Such a hypothesis would require… a highly unlikely pattern of… migrations, where swarms of species of Manticoceras are followed, everywhere at the same distance and the same time interval, by swarms of species of Cheiloceras, the two waves preserving their separate identities on a staggered mass migration around the world… without evolutionary changes and without ever becoming mixed…”
“It would be easy to repeat this investigation for almost every critical zone fossil… throughout the geological column for hundreds, perhaps thousands of… cases… In the words of Jeletsky… we would have to ‘invoke a miracle’… to assume anything but worldwide contemporaneous deposition for each of the 55 ammonite zones of the Jurassic. Not all … occur everywhere, but wherever two or more are found in superposition they occur in the same order.
Two Vastly Different Views:
Let’s not kid ourselves. What this is all about is whether or not the Old Testament book of Genesis (along with the rest of the Old Testament, and the New Testament) is an accurate account of what happened around 4600 years ago with regard to a worldwide flood and about 6000 years ago with regard to Creation itself. Is the Bible accurate and true or is it just a book of allegorical stories?
Was the great majority of the world’s sedimentary strata laid down by a single Worldwide Deluge in a short amount of time, or is the evolutionary scenario of slow change, acting over eons of TIME and the associated Geological Time Chart (with its millions and millions of years) a more accurate account of Earth history and how we came to be?
This is also about God’s future judgment of mankind and the return of Jesus to rule over the Earth — that God and He created — and to which He compared to the Days of Noah and the Flood. See Luke 17:20-27, 19:11-27; John 5:22-23, 12:32, and Rev. 22:12.
Let’s Look at the Evidence:
The following are 18 Evidences of either massive flooding and erosion, extremely rapid layering of strata, or direct evidence of a Worldwide Flood. Such evidences are found in numerous places on virtually every Continent.
Polystrate Fossils:
Upright Fossil Tree crossing multiple layers of rock strata One of the strongest pieces of evidence for a worldwide flood is the existence of what Rupke termed “polystrate fossils.” Such fossils are found all over the world: especially in and around coal seams. They are often in the form of fossil trees that were buried upright and which often cross multiple layers of strata such as sandstone, shale, limestone and even coal beds. 1,2,3,4 They range in size from small rootlets to trees over 80 feet long. Sometimes they are oblique (or at an angle to) the surrounding strata, but more often they are perpendicular with (or standing ‘upright’ in) it. For example, at Joggins, Nova Scotia, polystrate tree (and root) fossils are found at various intervals throughout roughly 2,500 feet of strata. Many of the trees are from 10-20 feet long, 5,6 and at least one was 40 feet long. 5,6,7
Very few of these upright fossil trees have attached roots, and only about 1 in 50 8 have both roots and rootlets attached. Such trees, and their missing roots are discussed in detail in an article on ‘Fossil Forests‘.9 Likewise many, if not most, of the large, fragmented, and broken-off Stigmaria roots (of these trees) are also missing their rootlets. In fact, that’s how the word “stigmaria” (roots) got its name: i.e. because of the scar marks left behind from the broken off (and now missing) rootlets. 9
Many of these roots and rootlets are also buried individually. 9 Thus virtually proving that neither the trees themselves, nor their rootlets were buried in the place where they grew, or “in situ,” but were uprooted and re-buried where they are now found.
Similar circumstances occur elsewhere in Nova Scotia and other Canadian provinces, as well as the United States, South America, Europe, China, Russia, and Australia. Buried tree stumps are also found on Axel Heiberg 10,11 Island in Northern Canada and wherever coal seams are found.
And although there is much data on buried trees in the geological literature, much of it is from books that are over 100 years old. One of the first articles on this subject was by Rupke, and in it he comments that:
“Personally, I am of the opinion that … polystrate fossils constitute a crucial phenomenon both to the actuality and the mechanism of cataclysmic deposition. Curiously a paper on polystrate fossils appears to be a ‘black swan’ in geological literature. Antecedent to this synopsis a systematic discussion of the relevant phenomena was never published. However, geologists must have been informed about these fossils. In view of this it seems unintelligible that uniformitarianism has kept its dominant position.” 12
With regard to Rupke’s observation, I suspect the reason why such is still the case has more to do with a pervasive bias against any and all evidence for a Creator to whom we may one day have to give account than to the ever-mounting evidence against the theory of evolution and the millions and millions of years that such a belief needs to make it seem true.
See also Organic levels of the Yellowstone Petrified Forest 13 and The Yellowstone Petrified Forests 14.
The Fossils Themselves:
Fossils don’t form on lake bottoms today, nor are they found forming on the bottom of the sea. 15 Instead, they normally only form when a plant or animal is buried soon after it dies. 16 Therefore, the fossils themselves are evidence of a catastrophe such as a flood or volcanic eruption that took place in the past. Rapid Petrification of Wood
Clastic Dikes:
Clastic Dike: Pre-hardened rock forced up through overlying strata According to Austin, a clastic dike is:
“a cross cutting body of sedimentary material which has been intruded into a foreign rock mass.” 17
“These dikes…(may) penetrate horizontal sedimentary strata (or) they may occur… in igneous and metamorphic rocks. The process of formation of a clastic dike is analogous to wet sand oozing up between ones toes, but on a much larger scale.” 17
Clastic dikes present a problem to the “mythions of years” mindset of evolution in that massive “older” sediments are found intruding up into overlying younger strata. This must have occurred while the “older” sediments were still in a plastic state. This is clearly brought out in a book on this subject by Dr. John Morris on this same subject: i.e. on the Age of the Earth.
What took these “older” sediments so long to become hard?
One would think that a million years would be more than enough time to turn massive sand laden sediments into sandstone, yet we have an example of sediments which are said to be 80 million years older than those above them, and yet they still had not become hard, but were in a wet and plastic state when an earth movement caused them to be forced up into the (supposedly much) younger sediments. Such things not only present serious problems for the evolutionary method of “dating”, but also tell us that something is wrong with the millions of years mindset of evolutionary theory itself, and thus cause strong suspicion that we are not being told the truth by the mass media, nor the “Scientific” community of believers in evolution. 17,18,19
Mt. St. Helens:
Three separate eruptions at Mount St. Helens produced sedimentary-type layers hundreds of feet thick. One of these was a hurricane velocity deposit that produced thousands of thin laminations up to 25 feet thick. The third eruption was a lava flow, which turned into a hot mud-flow as it crossed the Toutle River. This hot mud flow not only diverted the river, but carved a 17 mile long series of canyons (up to 140 feet deep) in a matter of hours. They call it the Little Grand Canyon of the Toutle River.” 20,21,22 And to this very day, neither the mass media, nor any popular “science” publications have told the public what happened. 23 See also Mt. St. Helens: Evidence in Support of Catastrophe.
Palouse Canyon:
In Eastern Washington State there is a canyon that was eroded through solid basalt by Lake Missoula floods in 1-2 days. This canyon is 300 to 500 feet deep. 24,25,26,27,28
An Australian Beach:
At Greenmount Beach on the Gold Coast of Queensland, an interesting thing occurred:
“clear laminations, or layering, in the sand–formed by the separation of normal silica-sand grains and smaller, denser mineral sand-grains such as rutile which are dark in color.. The layering was present along the whole sand mass exposed.” 29
“This was produced as a result of a beach restoration project (which involved) the dredging of sand from (a) sand bar (on) the Tweed River and carrying it by ship several kilometres north to the southern Gold Coast beaches, where it was pumped ashore as a water/sand slurry through a large pipe to the beach.” 29
See also Talking About Geology / Varves. 30
Spontaneous Sorting of Layers:
Laboratory experiments have shown that spontaneous sorting and layering occurs with a sand, mud and clay slurry. When the mixture slows down, the sand, mud and clay will spontaneously precipitate (or settle out) and form individual layers. Dr. Guy Berthault has performed a number of experiments which demonstrate this. 31,32,33 See following links for more info and visual documentation: Evolution: Fact or Belief?, Experiments in Stratification, and Sedimentation Experiments.
Turbidity Currents:
A turbidity current is an underwater mud flow, the discovery of which caused somewhat of a revolution in geology. As a result, many sedimentary strata layers throughout the world have been reevaluated and found to be turbidites. 34,35,36,37,38,39,40
For example, regarding turbidites and the impact they are having on modern Geology, Kurt Howard 41 said the following in his paper on this topic:
My physical geology professor said, “Regarding uniformitarianism, you can take it with a grain of salt.” After reviewing geology texts on the subject of turbidites, I am following the … professor’s advice. To paraphrase his words, I am taking uniformitarianism with a grain of sand, for the philosophy of uniformitarianism states that sedimentary layers form over many millions of years, while … recent research has shown that turbidites form within a few hours. {1}
In 1972 Burgert identified several lower basal Tapeats units as turbidites in Grand Canyon’s Cheops Bay. Dr. Ariel Roth a geologist at Loma Linda University’s Geoscience Institute, suggested that 30% of all sedimentary rocks in Grand Canyon are turbidites. Some geologists suggest that 50% of the world’s sedimentary rocks might be turbidites.
Modern geologists discarded the terms flysch sediments and geosyncline because rapidly formed megathick flysch is incompatible with uniformitarianism and long ages. However, in the last few years, the number of geologists abandoning the classical uniformitarian discipline and adopting the new catastrophism is almost a shock to … creationists. Geologists are finally beginning to grudgingly agree with … creationists about the nature of the stratigraphic record, which is a record of major catastrophic events and not the slow year-by-year buildup suggested by uniformitarianism. Flysch deposits might be the sedimentary results of a global flood. The idea of geosynclines is unpopular because most geologists believe in plate tectonics. Emphasis Added
Extensive Strata and Pancake Layering:
As we observe sedimentary strata throughout the world we see almost everywhere flat-lying (or “pancake”) layered strata. Many of these layers are so extensive that they cover several states. For example, the Tapeats Sandstone covers over half of the United States, and drawings from Dana’s Manual of Geology depict over 90 percent of the United States and Mexico, and half of Canada under water. We also know that the Grand Canyon was once under the ocean because of the marine fossils that have been found there.
Drawing depicting over 90 percent of US under waterEvolutionists believe that such layers were deposited slowly over millions and millions of years. Some claim that much of the strata is simply “river” deposits or river deltas. 42,43 Creationists and a growing number of geologists see problems with such interpretations. 44,45 First because there is virtually no evidence of erosion between the layers, and second, because the sheer size and extent of the layers tells us that they could not have been formed by rivers, nor river deltas. That’s because many of the “layers” are quite thick and cover literally thousands of square miles.
This, coupled with the presence of marine fossils that are buried in many of the layers, tells us that they were deposited by ocean currents by a flood or floods like nothing we have seen in moderns times.
We can say for certain that it was the ocean (as opposed to a lake) because of the marine fossils that are buried in much of this strata. For example, in the Grand Canyon area itself, old Earth geologists have said that the Ocean swept over the whole area on six different occasions. Young Earth geologists say it was probably only once.
A Whale of a Fossil:
Or should we say “a fossil of a whale? It’s true, but what is most interesting about it is how it was buried.
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Bushranger · 70-79, M
@GodSpeed63 Yes, it's your truth, not shared by everyone. And certainly out of touch with reality. But notice, I answered your question. Shame you can't do that.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
Carazaa · F
@GodSpeed63 This is a post from Dean Combs website on Can we know when Jesus returns.
Alta Naomi Patterson posted:
November 16, 2019 at 3:36 pm
"We submit our work & words to the Lord & trust Him for the outcome. I’m often reminded of a story from years ago, where a sincere believer was asked to go with his friend & share the power of God’s redemption to a man controlled by alcoholism. They encountered an older man in a bed who treated them with hostility & forced them to leave. “A waste of time” stated the believer, to which his friend said,”you have to have faith.” Month’s later, a young man found this person at a meeting & said, “I must thank you for coming to that cabin, your words saved my life.” Puzzled, the believer said, “But you weren’t that man on the bed.” “No”, said the young man, “I was under the bed.”
Alta Naomi Patterson posted:
November 16, 2019 at 3:36 pm
"We submit our work & words to the Lord & trust Him for the outcome. I’m often reminded of a story from years ago, where a sincere believer was asked to go with his friend & share the power of God’s redemption to a man controlled by alcoholism. They encountered an older man in a bed who treated them with hostility & forced them to leave. “A waste of time” stated the believer, to which his friend said,”you have to have faith.” Month’s later, a young man found this person at a meeting & said, “I must thank you for coming to that cabin, your words saved my life.” Puzzled, the believer said, “But you weren’t that man on the bed.” “No”, said the young man, “I was under the bed.”
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
Entwistle · 56-60, M
@GodSpeed63 In what way do i do that?
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@NortiusMaximus [quote] The arrogance of Christians knows no bounds.[/quote]
It's not arrogant for the Truth to have a person and for that person to share it among others.
It's not arrogant for the Truth to have a person and for that person to share it among others.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@NortiusMaximus when Jesus was questioned about John the Baptist He said, "What did you go out into the wilderness to see? A reed swayed by the wind? 8If not, what did you go out to see? A man dressed in fine clothes? No, those who wear fine clothes are in kings’ palaces. 9Then what did you go out to see? A prophet? Yes, I tell you, and more than a prophet."
NortiusMaximus · M
@GodSpeed63 [quote]It's not arrogant for the Truth to have a person [/quote]
It is arrogant to presume, [b]without any evidence whatsoever[/b], that you are the sole representative of "the truth" and everyone else is wrong. It's also dishonest of you to present your unsupported opinions as "the truth"
It is arrogant to presume, [b]without any evidence whatsoever[/b], that you are the sole representative of "the truth" and everyone else is wrong. It's also dishonest of you to present your unsupported opinions as "the truth"
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
Why is this muppet trying to equate circular and spherical?
If you’re a Bronze-Age goat herder standing on a hill and you look around the horizon, the earth will indeed appear to be circular
But a circle is a two-dimensional shape
Saying that the earth is circular is the same as saying that the earth is flat
In fact, the Earth is spherical (an oblate spheroid, to be precise)
That was known by the Ancient Greeks around 500 years [i]before[/i] the bible came along (it was forgotten when the Greek civilisation fell)
Eratosthenes of Cyrene used three sticks (yes, it’s that simple!). One stick was on the equator at the time of the Summer Solstice (when the Sun is directly overhead), one stick was far to the north, and the other stick was far to the south.
The equatorial stick cast no shadow, and the other two cast shadows in opposite directions.
That could only happen on a sphere.
Using the length of the shadows he calculated the Earth’s circumference to be around 38,600 kilometres.
Th actual value is 40,000 kilometres.
Every single so-called 'scientific fact 'in the bible was either already known, or is just plain wrong
If you’re a Bronze-Age goat herder standing on a hill and you look around the horizon, the earth will indeed appear to be circular
But a circle is a two-dimensional shape
Saying that the earth is circular is the same as saying that the earth is flat
In fact, the Earth is spherical (an oblate spheroid, to be precise)
That was known by the Ancient Greeks around 500 years [i]before[/i] the bible came along (it was forgotten when the Greek civilisation fell)
Eratosthenes of Cyrene used three sticks (yes, it’s that simple!). One stick was on the equator at the time of the Summer Solstice (when the Sun is directly overhead), one stick was far to the north, and the other stick was far to the south.
The equatorial stick cast no shadow, and the other two cast shadows in opposite directions.
That could only happen on a sphere.
Using the length of the shadows he calculated the Earth’s circumference to be around 38,600 kilometres.
Th actual value is 40,000 kilometres.
Every single so-called 'scientific fact 'in the bible was either already known, or is just plain wrong
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@froggtongue Intellect is not synonymous with knowledge.
I have been discussing knowledge, not intellect
I have been discussing knowledge, not intellect
froggtongue · M
@newjaninev2 no. Of course I'm not saying there are three different suns. Though that does inspire me to think of a sci-fi that includes that now.
But if you scale down the light source to just a flashlight, the flatness of a large room, and three sticks, you can simulate the three different shadows again. It doesn't make the room into a sphere.
But if you scale down the light source to just a flashlight, the flatness of a large room, and three sticks, you can simulate the three different shadows again. It doesn't make the room into a sphere.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@froggtongue and it doesn’t’t mean that your simulation meaningfully replicates the situation of a distant light source
[quote]a sci-fi that includes that[/quote]
Try [i]The Three-Body Problem[/i] by Liu Cixin
[quote]a sci-fi that includes that[/quote]
Try [i]The Three-Body Problem[/i] by Liu Cixin
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
Harriet03 · 41-45, F
@GodSpeed63 All "versions"!
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@PatKirby [quote]Wasn't meant for you but since the real trash finally stood up, got something for your hypocrite glutteals...[/quote]
We're all hypocrites until we invite Jesus Christ into our hearts and lives. Have you not heard that Jesus cares about the little things in life as well as the big things in life?
We're all hypocrites until we invite Jesus Christ into our hearts and lives. Have you not heard that Jesus cares about the little things in life as well as the big things in life?
Entwistle · 56-60, M
@GodSpeed63 I dare you to go do some research on it.
Adstar · 56-60, M
Simply because the Jews had the inspiration of God.. So their version was the most accurate.. Other peoples around the world only had traditions handed down from generation to generation and as their story of the flood became less and less accurate..
But the thing is the world flood is a story told by many cultures that are separated from each other all over the earth.. This leads to the fact that their was in the past a great flood which came upon the whole earth..
But the thing is the world flood is a story told by many cultures that are separated from each other all over the earth.. This leads to the fact that their was in the past a great flood which came upon the whole earth..
froggtongue · M
@hippyjoe1955 oh, and going back to tradition which you didn't respond to. Every culture has their traditions. Shinto, Buddhism, Islam, Wicca, ancient Greeks. That opens up that if tradition is accurate statements, it allows for all gods to be formed and real.
froggtongue · M
@hippyjoe1955 I didn't say it was studied because it was right or wrong. Only that it has stories in it. So stop jumping to conclusions.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@froggtongue The stories are part of the truth. If the stories are false the whole thing falls apart. That is why the concerted efforts by the atheists to attack the historicity of the Bible.
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froggtongue · M
@GodSpeed63 please don't keep us ignorant. Why is this poster not to your liking?
NortiusMaximus · M
@froggtongue Don't expect a straight answer. All you're likely to get for asking questions like that are childish insults. I know because Ive asked similar questions. I see you've had some experience of that on another sub-thread. :(
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
According to the Bible it was a big boat made out of Sturdy wood. All the other accounts have a small boat/raft made out of material that would be smashed to bits in the event of a massive storm.