Are churches essential? [Spirituality & Religion]

@spjennifer I live in a city of over 1.2 million. There have been 12 deaths. 0.001%. BTW 0.001% is not 350000. Sad that they didn't teach math at nursing school.

@AnneHoney Again... rights devoid of responsibility

I did however state that I was no expert...

[quote]You assume gathering in large groups will spread the virus. That has been shown not to be the case.[/quote]

As for that statement, I don't know how you could possibly have made it. Is the virus being transmitted by long distance telepathy then?

[quote][b]Symptomatic transmission[/b]
By way of definition, a symptomatic COVID-19 case is a case who has developed signs and symptoms compatible with COVID-19 virus infection. Symptomatic transmission refers to transmission from a person while they are experiencing symptoms.
Data from published epidemiology and virologic studies provide evidence that COVID-19 is [b]primarily transmitted from symptomatic people to others who are in close contact through respiratory droplets, by direct contact with infected persons, or by contact with contaminated objects and surfaces[/b].1-7 This is supported by detailed experiences shared by technical partners via WHO global expert networks, and reports and presentations by Ministries of Health. Data from clinical and virologic studies that have collected repeated biological samples from confirmed patients
provide evidence that shedding of the COVID-19 virus is highest in upper respiratory tract (nose and throat) early in the course of the disease.8-11 That is, within the first 3 days from onset of symptoms.10-11 Preliminary data suggests
that people may be more contagious around the time of symptom onset as compared to later on in the disease.[/quote]

Much of that is no longer policy. The first sentence, close proximity to infected. They retracted the surfaces part a couple days ago for example. Now saying you are not going to catch it from a surface.

Churches can like other places insist on masks and social distancing. I heard this morning they will likely reduce distancing to 3 feet from 6 based on additional data.

And keep those over 70 in a separate area of the church. Services can be held safely just like shopping at Costco.@Quizzical

@AnneHoney So let me get this straight...


According to what you are saying, you can't get it from surfaces and you can't get it from close proximity or large gatherings...

So how exactly have 4.9 million people got it when it doesn't seem (according to what you are relating) to be particularly transmittable? 🤔

@Doomflower if you recall the stay at home was put in place so hospitals were not overwhelmed by cases. Hospitals are empty. The more people that become infected but don’t need hospitalization the better off we all are.

@AnneHoney more people infected will inevitably lead to hospitalizations as they will spread it to the vulnerable.

Nope, almost everyone will get it eventually just a matter of not wanting too many to need hospital at the same time. Less than 2% that are exposed need medical care. @Doomflower

Governor of Michigan who is on Biden’s short list has said they will arrest people who attempt to attend church.@Budwick

@AnneHoney She has got to KNOW that she has made a bad decision.
I'm convinced it's really all about getting in our face saying "I'M in control, lowly citizen. Now, STFU'.

@Dlrannie You arent a christian , but those who are wish to congregate . That right is guaranteed by the constitution, which means libs cant stop it. Where are all your social distancing concerns when blue state governors intentionally put covid patients into nursing homes? Social distancing was never intended to prevent the disease spread, but rather to keep hospitals from being over run. Cuomo orders the covid patients being placed in nursing homes instead of an empty hospital ship sitting in the harbor.

@TexChik Your attitude is not in the slightest bit Christian when you cannot comprehend that people can exercise their Christian faith in different ways to the one you do.

@Dlrannie People can worship as they want. I do as the Bible says . You however, want to deny me and others of faith our right to congregate . You are clearly clueless and have no idea what being Christian , worship, and fellowship are all about. But you have the unending desire to deny people of faith the right to worship as they see fit because you don’t have any ( faith) . . .

@Budwick [quote]
your screenshot isn't relative to religion, swimming or crocodiles.
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🤦 What's with your attitude? Are you acting stupid or are you actually stupid?

@Budwick [quote]
The reference to pissing in your Cheerio's is an idiom, not to be taken so literally.
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Did say I taken it seriously? 🤪

So answer to your question, it's not an attitude. I mean I don't know if saying truth is equivalent to 'having attitude's in your country. 😬

@JBird [quote]Did say I taken it seriously? [/quote]

What you said was -
[quote]Typical 'mericans, thinking everyone eats Cheerios for breakfast.[/quote]

NO, you definitely have an attitude going on.
I respect truth. I honer honesty.
I've gotten none of that from you.
Just attitude.

@4meAndyou You do have some very good arguments for opening churches!!

@JesseInTX excellent points

Again you played the delusional card and now insulted my intellect. an ass is used to carry heavy loads which you clearly are when you assume only delusional people have an opinion that differs from yours.

The Bible says God the Father. Jesus history says was a man. So he seems a reasonable pronoun to use when discussing God. @BlueVeins

@AnneHoney I didn't just call that lady delusional, I [i]provided evidence[/i] that she was delusional. You're not seriously going to defend someone who thinks that worship makes you impenetrable to pathogens, right? It's ok for someone to have a different opinion, but there's such a thing as objective reality and facts.

@AnneHoney [quote]The Bible says God the Father. Jesus history says was a man. So he seems a reasonable pronoun to use when discussing God.[/quote]

[i]woosh[/i]

That isn’t remotely true. @Quizzical

@AnneHoney Well, it's MY definition of sense

@revenant especially Christianity

@AnneHoney Also, the original language of the Bible, it never really mentions church. Church was actually the Greek word " ekklesia" which means "calling out".

So, Peter was the rock of those who call out to God in the original not the rock of the church in the translated English. Jesus also worshipped outside of the temple many times. He made it a point that you don't need church to be with God.

So, based on Biblical evidence, church is not essential since you can worship and be close with God anywhere.

@SW-User based on your picking out a few verses and deciding that is what they mean to you. Then don’t attend. No one said you should.

@AnneHoney I'm not saying churches are bad, I'm just saying that even Jesus would deem churches as non-essential.

There are many verses in the Bible that I could use but to Christians, these two are the most well known.

I also still go to religious services and like to learn about different religions.

Very reasonable answer@SW-User

That is why those that don’t attend are so willing to deny rights to others. And those that do fight so hard to keep their rights.@SweetMae

@AnneHoney It is a constitutional right to worship freely. I'm not sure if that right extends to places of worship. I do think it was the founding fathers intention at the time.

Seems clear to me. Congress shall not RESTRICT THE FREE PRACTICE THERE OF @SweetMae if your practice is attending a church it can not be prevented. The only argument is the not yelling fire in a theater argument which restricts free speech. It took the Supreme Court ruling to allow that one.

@eMortal sorry tard ... stay home all you want , go bankrupt , and dry up and blow away . Churches are open , deal with it.

@TexChik lol

Then don’t go. Some people want to do more than talk to God.@MistyStarr

@AnneHoney I don't go. Each to their own. I'm not going to argue about it. You asked a question and l replied.

@spjennifer Sorry libtard, facts dont lie. But liberals certainly do.

@spjennifer I like your suit and shoes. You shouldn’t hide your face.

@TexChik great chart!