Some of you i've spoken to distrust science if it contradicts scripture. [Spirituality & Religion]

@booboo Oh, I understand that point of mystery, but to say God can change scientific laws whenever he wants seems suspiciously whimsical to me.

However we are missing the point that religion and science ask very different things; so whilst it is possible to follow both and very many devout believers do, modern knowledge cannot be twisted to suit ancient mysticism.

[i]Religion[b]s[/b][/i] assume everything natural is created by a deity of some sort for (presumably) its own reasons. They are not concerned with [i]how[/i], because that is not their central message and purpose.

Besides, these beliefs were invented long before anyone could genuinely have investigated and understood that; although surprisingly perhaps, the early-Muslim world led such exploration whilst Mediaeval European Christianity wallowed in dogmatic mediocrity.

[i]Science[/i] is interested in the [i]how and when[/i]. It is not concerned with [i]why[/i] or by [i]whom[/i].

In fact it has to stay aloof from religion because so much science is now international, crossing religious and cultural boundaries to share research and understanding.

@ArishMell I do consider myself a scientist. I spent nearly 50 years in academic medicine one. I am in awe of nature and specifically at the many physiological mechanisms that science has revealed and continues to uncover almost on a daily basis. I look.at these processes and say, how can they have evolved purely by chance, as well as how could any powers regardless how infinite, "invent" something so infinitesmally complicated.

I do believe in God but not as a man sitting on a throne. I do not therefore believe in an anthropological god, but as a power that explains what I cannot explain scientifically. I read the bible as almost historical fiction, not as THE word of God.

@samueltyler2 I accept that you believe in God, as "driving" everything anyway.

However when we think of the how rather than why, how do you consider living things to have evolved if not by vast numbers of small chance events and adjustments over a vast time?

@Crazywaterspring not just Hebrew, the new testament as well was probably written by humans, and recounts a verbal history which was then written down. Everyone who has ever play the game "telephone" knows the result of the verbal history!

@ArishMell

This is the thing that gets me. Aside from some things in the bible which are directly contradicted by scientific discovery, there's not a whole lot which says that these natural processes are not simply the way in which a god built the world.

@Pikachu No there is not, but I was endeavouring to show how modern Christian might see that very point - they believe God made everything, as the Bible does claim; but see his ways of doing so from modern knowledge.

I find a belief in such a God difficult to accept, but at least I try to see belief in such a deity and its methods as something we can now elevate far above and beyond the guessing-games of ancient folk-tales.

@SatanBurger

We definitely get fewer miracles these days and they seem to be less the blind seeing or mana from the heavens and more "i got better from a disease when doctors didn't think i would get better" or "i unexpectedly came into some money".

@redredred

[quote] its the earths rotation on its axis.[/quote]

lol pedant. You'll notice that he first time i described the movement, i did indeed specify the earth's rotation.
Glad to see you're not interested in being petty😏

[quote] It cant be both.[/quote]

Sorry, this is still a very weak example. Even a bible literalist who agrees that the sun stopped in the sky would not be troubled by this argument.
You have NO basis to argue that what is meant was that the sun stopped in the sky as it orbited the earth rather than that the sun stopped in the sky because the earth stopped rotating.
If you disagree then make that case now.
I think you will necessarily back down from that challenge.

I dont need to make any case, my words speak for themselves. Get your mommy to read them to you if you dont understand.

And pointing out the difference between a day and a year is not pedantic if the conversation includes the views of morons who take the days of (supposed) creation as literal 24 hour days. Try to keep up.@Pikachu

@redredred

[quote]I dont need to make any case, my words speak for themselves.[/quote]

😒

I'm going to let you have a second pass at that because you just said you don't have to make a case to demonstrate the validity of your claim because your claim speaks for itself....
You're...satisfied with that *ahem* argument?
If so then so be it.
If not then make your case why we should consider that passage to be an unequivocal proclamation that the sun orbits the earth.
What'll it be?
Are you going to save face or are you going to show some intellectual honesty?🙂

[quote]pointing out the difference between a day and a year is not pedantic[/quote]

lol don't play, son.
I first described the relationship as one of [i]rotation[/i] (which you ignored) and you decided it was necessary to explain that which was already evidently apparent to me even though i misspoke in the second instance.
You understood perfectly the meaning of my point but you wanted to put on airs of superiority.
You were being a pedant.
End of story.

So mr. pigeon, let's get back to whether or not you're going to actually make an argument in favour of your interpretation or whether you'll just scatter the pieces and shit on the board...

@canusernamebemyusername

lol fuck off

@Cutiepi23

[quote] Its strange I feel a bit sad now thinking about Padre Pio.[/quote]

And why wouldn't you? No one wants to believe ill of people we respected or liked.
lol that's why i try not to learn any personal information about actors whose work i enjoy.

@redredred I dont know. I am going to read and see whats said about it.https://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&client=ms-android-tmobile-gb&source=android-browser&q=what+doctors+examined+padre+pios+wounds

@Pikachu I am a crazy Elvis fan & after many years I read some unsavoury things about him. Just goes to show!

@adorbz

How indeed.

@adorbz Ironically people try to use the scientific method I would guess.