@Zenyatta That's not the island Syrus by the way. That's built up not the island, don't believe everything you read. And compare to New York! Or San Diego or Los Angeles its not the wealthiest city in the world as it [i]was[/i] and you missed my point, that God changes history according to his pleasure. Why don't you take Nineveh also as a good example. The city was going to be destroyed but its still there because God changed his mind because people prayed and repented. Other cities didn't repent, like Damascus, Sodom,and Gomorrah. Look at those cities. You do not understand the meaning of these stories if you cherry pick and take stories out of context!
@Carazaa Yes that is indeed the city of Tyre. Do you really hate facts this much that you have deny anything that contradicts your myth? It was prophesied that the Tyre would inhabitable yet theres a city here, you really need to reevaluate how you interpret scriptures especially when they are as clear as day and you still get this wrong
@Carazaa [quote]He will show you one day when he comes in the clouds![/quote] Yeah, yeah. Religious zealots have been saying that from day 1. It will never happen.
[quote]Every knee will bow![/quote] Not a chance! You, however, will be on your knees before Odin!
Hi @Carazaaif he is indeed going to show everyone one day, what is he waiting for? This isn't a gotcha question, I really want to know. I think roughly 60 million people a year die in the world, and that number increases, that's 60 million who don't know for certain there is a god, why not show himself and let them "bend the knee" before they die?
@GodSpeed63 All over this site. Despite all your blabbering and empty claims, you have [b]never[/b] offered a single shred of real, independently verifiable, evidence that your god thing (that you call "yahewh" in case you've forgotten again) exists, other than in your imagination. In fact, you've even denied denied believing in it yourself on occasion.
@GodSpeed63 [quote]Your opinions and suppositions don't count as proof[/quote] Nor do yours but, unlike you, I offer real evidence and logical arguement based on verifiable facts.
First, I just want to humbly say that it saddens me to see that you said you turned from the Lord. One just can't go wrong following the Lord, but of course, that's up to you.
I say this lovingly. I wish you understood that there is no comparison between our knowledge and the great, infinite knowledge of God. We can't possibly begin to figure Him out, let alone, judge Him.
God is perfect. And though many get mad at Him and judge him wrongly, thinking they know better than God, He [u]cannot[/u] err. He [u]cannot[/u] sin. Though we don't understand everything about Him, we certainly don't have the authority to judge or blame Him, when He is incapable of lying or error.
If we want God to be fair to us, we must be fair to Him and not judge the One who created us. Since He is sinless, he is just in everything he does, in spite of our doubts. As our Creator, he deserves to be praised, because in spite of our rebellion...and we can see that throughout history our sinful nature...He [u]still[/u] gave His very life to save us from the condemnation SIN brings on us. Though He was beaten and whipped to an unrecognizable pulp, what did He say to His Father in heaven as he hung suspended between heaven and earth? [b][c=#BF0000]Father, FORGIVE THEM...for they know not what they DO!"[/c][/b] He forgave and still loves us in spite of our sins, even his enemies who nailed Him to that cross. Does this sound like a man who is out to destroy you or cause you harm? No. It reeks of His everlasting, deepest love for us. He didn't HAVE to do that for us. But He DID. In fact, [b]He volunteered.[/b] Please tell me who else would go through all that suffering for you, just to see that you wouldn't miss heaven? Nobody. We should be infinitely grateful to Him. No OTHER gods stepped up to do this!
Instead of everyone arguing about details here, each of us should be preparing to make sure we don't miss heaven, because no matter how long we all argue, His plans are not going to change, so we need to be busy preparing, because this is not a "maybe". It's a given that the Lord is about to come back and though we don't know exactly WHEN, that's all the MORE reason to prepare. He could come tonight and what if He did? Would you be ready? A wise man prepares for the future, and what we say here will mean [u]nothing[/u]. "What shall it profit a man if he gains the world, but loses his own soul?" Prophecy [b]always[/b] comes true. Every biblical prophecy TO DATE has come true. I've got the list if you want to see them. This should tell us that all future prophecies shall come true. We should all be getting ready to meet our Maker. There's no excuse that any should miss heaven, except for their own bull-headedness. Stubbornness.
There are things we just don't know and that's OK, because God helped us know the most important thing...how to have eternal life in heaven. God didn't destroy this world. Sin did. Sin always brings death and is THE ONLY THING which keeps us SEPARATED FROM GOD. So common sense tells us, we need to have our sins forgiven, and Jesus is our ticket to heaven. We'd be foolish to refuse a free ticket to heaven through the forgiveness of our sins. If Jesus hadn't come down from heaven and paid for our sins on the cross, we'd have ALL ended up in hell, because as it stands, our sins [u]automatically separate us from God the Father[/u]. So...we need to come to our only Mediator between God and man...Jesus...and have our sins forgiven. What's so hard about receiving the free gift of salvation? Jesus did all the work, and it is HE that does all the saving, not man. There's no such thing as earning your way to heaven. Grace means [u]UN-earned favor from God[/u]. You just come as you are. He turns no one away.
As for contradictions in the bible, readers of the Bible have long recognized, analyzed, and discussed these discrepancies, and have come to the important conclusion, that with some basic understanding of ancient languages, literature, history and the [i]cultural[/i] context of that time period, along with careful bible study, it becomes apparent that these inconsistencies are not actually contradictions. This kind of problem is the most commonly found among critics of the Bible. They very often take verses out of context and set them against each other. Our Almighty, perfect God, did not hand down to us, flawed text.
@Zenyatta Sounds like you have had some bad relationships! No God can be counted on to help us. But we can't be flakes, love him one day and talk bad about him the next. He is watching.
Impossible to say, since you or I have never been an all-powerful, omnipresent, omniscient God. We really have no frame of reference as to what we would want.
He created us. He wants respect, obedience , like any father wants. He wants us to see only with His help will we become all that we're supposed to be. Father knows best.
It mirrored the human power structure of the time. I am sure today, it would have been formed differently. However, with that said, yes he certainly has flaws.
@Bushmanoz @okaybut Jesus said that when the world has seen the signs of the last generation, and he told us what they are. Then he will come that generation. He wants everyone to hear and he gives warnings so we can repent. And we ARE that generation that sees all the signs.
@Carazaa I agree. I meant potential gods in a metaphorical way, in that we live forever with the real god in a harmonious state of existence. That's my belief
Answer: "God" began with the ET's. Thats how "humanity" started here except they were not human...
No wonder people ended up on their knees.
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Why do atheists ask questions aimed to mock rather than ask what they don’t understand? In my experience every atheists are either confusing scientific theories as scientific discoveries, or they are rebellious and don’t like being told some aspect in their life is harming their life so they deny existence all together.
@SW-User Funny how you left out the rape part but don’t you find it pretty illogical the whole kill off humanity and nephilim thing? If he was truly an all powerful god then genocide wouldn’t have happened now would it? Also there’s the fact that archeology, zoology, paleontology ect that disproves the flood even happened. Plus there’s also this
Genesis God creates light and separates light from darkness, and day from night, on the first day. Yet he didn't make the light producing objects (the sun and the stars) until the fourth day (1:14-19). 1:3-5 God spends one-sixth of his entire creative effort (the second day) working on a solid firmament. This strange structure, which God calls heaven, is intended to separate the higher waters from the lower waters. This firmament, if it existed, would have been quite an obstacle to our space program. 1:6-8 Plants are made on the third day before there was a sun to drive their photosynthetic processes (1:14-19). 1:11 "He made the stars also." God spends a day making light (before making the stars) and separating light from darkness; then, at the end of a hard day's work, and almost as an afterthought, he makes the trillions of stars. 1:16 "And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth." Really? Then why are only a tiny fraction of stars visible from earth? Under the best conditions, no more than five thousand stars are visible from earth with the unaided eye, yet there are hundreds of billions of stars in our galaxy and a hundred billion or so galaxies. Yet this verse says that God put the stars in the firmament "to give light" to the earth. 1:17 God commands us to "be fruitful and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over ... every living thing that moveth upon the earth." This verse is used to justify Christian opposition to birth control, to concern for the environment, and to animal rights. The earth was made for humans, and they can do as they damn well please with it. 1:28 All animals were originally herbivores. Tapeworms, vampire bats, mosquitoes, and barracudas -- all were strict vegetarians, as they were created by God. But, of course, we now know that there were carnivorous animals millions of years before humans existed. 1:30 God makes the animals and parades them before Adam to see if any would strike his fancy. But none seem to have what it takes to please him. (Although he was tempted to go for the sheep.) After making the animals, God has Adam name them all. The naming of several million species must have kept Adam busy for a while. 2:18-20 God's clever, talking serpent. 3:1 God walks and talks (to himself?) in the garden, and plays a little hide and seek with Adam and Eve. 3:8-11 God curses the serpent. From now on the serpent will crawl on his belly and eat dust. One wonders how he got around before -- by hopping on his tail, perhaps? But snakes don't eat dust, do they? 3:14 God curses the ground and causes thorns and thistles to grow. 3:17-18 God kills some animals and makes some skin coats for Adam and Eve. 3:21 Cain is worried after killing Abel and says, "Every one who finds me shall slay me." This is a strange concern since there were only two other humans alive at the time -- his parents! 4:14 "And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD." 4:16 "And Cain knew his wife." That's nice, but where the hell did she come from? 4:17 Lamech kills a man and claims that since Cain's murderer would be punished sevenfold, whoever murders him will be punished seventy-seven fold. That sounds fair. 4:23-24 God created a man and a woman, and he "called their name Adam." So the woman's name was Adam, too! 5:2 The first men had incredibly long lifespans. 5:5, 5:8, 5:11, 5:14, 5:17, 5:20, 5:23, 5:27, 5:31, 9:29 The "sons of God" copulated with the "daughters of men," and had sons who became "the mighty men of old, men of renown." 6:2-4 "There were giants in the earth in those days." 6:4 God decides to kill all living things because the human imagination is evil. Later (8:21), after he kills everything, he promises never to do it again because the human imagination is evil. Go figure. 6:5 God repents. 6:6-7 God was angry because "the earth was filled with violence." But didn't God create the whole bloody system in the first place? Predator and prey, parasite and host -- weren't they all designed by God? Oh, it's true that according to 1:30 God originally intended the animals to be vegetarian. But later (3:18) he changed all that. Still, the violence that angered God was of his own making. So what was he upset about? And how would killing everything help to make the world less violent? Did he think the animals would behave better after he "destroys them with the earth"? I guess God works in mysterious ways. 6:11-13 God tells Noah to make one small window (18 inches square) in the 450 foot ark for ventilation. 6:16 Noah, the just and righteous. 6:9, 7:1 Noah, the drunk and naked. 9:20-21 God opens the "windows of heaven." He does this every time it rains. 7:11 "The windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was
restrained." This happens whenever it stops raining. 8:2 Noah sends a dove out to see if there was any dry land. But the dove returns without finding any. Then, just seven days later, the dove goes out again and returns with an olive leaf. But how could an olive tree survive the flood? And if any seeds happened to survive, they certainly wouldn't germinate and grow leaves within a seven day period. 8:8-11 Noah kills the "clean beasts" and burns their dead bodies for God. According to 7:8 this would have caused the extinction of all "clean" animals since only two of each were taken onto the ark. "And the Lord smelled a sweet savor." After this God "said in his heart" that he'd never do it again because "man's heart is evil from his youth." So God killed all living things (6:5) because humans are evil, and then promises not to do it again (8:21) because humans are evil. The mind of God is a frightening thing. 8:20-21 According to this verse, all animals fear humans. Although it is true that many do, it is also true that some do not. Sharks and grizzly bears, for example, are generally much less afraid of us than we are of them. 9:2 "Into your hand are they (the animals) delivered." God gave the animals to humans, and they can do whatever they please with them. This verse has been used by bible believers to justify all kinds of cruelty to anmials and environmental destruction. 9:2 All animals have hands. 9:5 "Be ye fruitful, and multiply." With 6 billion people on this planet, we need to disobey God on this one. 9:7 God is rightly filled with remorse for having killed his creatures. He makes a deal with the animals, promising never to drown them all again. He even puts the rainbow in the sky so that whenever he sees it, it will remind him of his promise so that he won't be tempted to do it again. (Every time God sees the rainbow he says to himself: "Oh, yeah.... That's right. I promised not to drown the animals again. I guess I'll have to find something else to do."). 9:9-13 The entire tenth chapter is the first of many boring genealogies (see 1 Chr.1-9, Mt.1:1-17, Lk.3:23-28 for other examples) that we are told to avoid in 1 Tim.1:4 and Tit.3:9 ("Avoid foolish questions and genealogies.") 10:1-32 God worries that people could actually build a tower high enough to reach him (them?) in heaven. 11:4 God is worried again. He remembers how humans nearly became gods by finding and eating from the tree of life (Gen.3:22). It was a close call, but now he faces a similar threat. He begins talking to himself again saying, "Behold, the people is one, and they all have one language." He fears that "now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do." 11:6 Another boring genealogy that we are told to avoid in 1 Tim.1:4 and Tit.3:9. ("Avoid foolish questions and genealogies.") Also note the
ridiculously long lives of the patriarchs. 11:10-32 Poor Pharaoh couldn't resist the "very fair" Sarai, and he takes her into his harem. (She must have been well preserved, since she was about seventy years old at the time.) 12:15 The Amalekites were smitten before Amalek (from whom they descended) was born. Amalek was the grandson of Esau (Gen.36:12). 14:7 Abraham circumcises himself and all of the males in his household. Since he supposedly had 318 slaves back in 14:14, poor old Abe must have been pretty busy with his knife. But it was worth it. Penises are supremely important to God. And he can't stand foreskins. 17:23-24 Sarah, who is about 90 years old and has gone through menopause, laughs at God when he tells her that she will have a son. She asks God if she will "have pleasure" with her "Lord" [Abraham], when both are so very old. God assures her that he will return and impregnate her at the appointed time. 18:11-14 God, who is planning another mass murder, is worried that Abraham might try to stop him. so he asks himself if he should hide his intentions from Abraham. 18:17 "And the Lord went his way." Now where might that be? 18:33 Lot [the just and righteous (2 Pet.2:7-8)] offers his daughters to a crowd of angel rapers. 19:8 Lot's nameless wife looks back, and God turns her into a pillar of salt. 19:26 Lot and his daughters camp out in a cave for a while. The daughters get their "just and righteous" father drunk, and have sexual intercourse with him, and each conceives and bears a son (wouldn't you know it!). Just another wholesome family values Bible story. 19:30-38 "The Lord visited Sarah" and he "did unto Sarah as he had spoken." And "Sarah conceived and bare Abraham a son." (God-assisted conceptions never result in daughters.) 21:1-2 These verses suggest that Ishmael was an infant when his father abandoned him, yet according to Gen.17:25 and Gen.21:5-8 he must have been about 16 years old. It must have been tough for poor Hagar to carry Ishmael on her shoulder and to then "cast him under one of the shrubs." 21:14-18 Abraham names the place where he nearly kills Isaac after Jehovah. But according to Ex.6:3, Abraham couldn't have known that God's name was Jehovah. 22:14 God swears to himself. 22:16 Abraham needed God's help to father Isaac when he was 100 years old (Gen.21:1-2, Rom.4:19, Heb.11:12). But here, when he is even older, he manages to have six more children without any help from God. 25:2
Abraham lived to be 175 years old. 25:7 Ishmael lived 137 years. 25:17 Isaac's wife (Rebekah), like his mother (Sarah), was also barren. 25:21 Jacob names Bethel for the first time 28:19, before meeting Rachel. Later in 35:15, just before Rachel dies, he names Bethel again. (I guess the name didn't take the first time.) Jacob goes in unto Leah by mistake. 29:23, 25 "And Jacob went in unto her. And Bilhah conceived, and bare Jacob a son." (These arrangements never seem to produce daughters.) 30:4 Leah, not to be outdone, gives Jacob her maid (Zilpah) "to wife." And Zilpah "bare Jacob a son." 30:9 Rachel trades her husband's favors for some mandrakes. And so, when Jacob cam home, Leah said: "Thou must come in unto me, for surely I have hired thee with my son's mandrakes. And he lay with her that night." Presumably God, by telling us this edifying story, is teaching us something about sexual ethics. 30:15-16 And finally, "God remembered Rachel ... and opened her womb. And she conceived and bare a son [surprise, surprise]." 30:22 Laban learns "by experience" that God has blessed him for Jacob's sake. "By experience" means "by divination", at least that is how most other versions translate this verse. 30:27 God renames Jacob for the first time (See 35:10 for the first renaming). God says that Jacob will henceforth be called Israel, but the Bible continues to call him Jacob anyway. And even God himself calls him Jacob in 46:2. 30:28 Jacob displays his (and God's) knowledge of biology by having goats copulate while looking at streaked rods. The result is streaked baby goats. 30:37-39 Jacob wrestles with god and wins. God changes Jacob's name to Israel to signify that he wrestled with God and "prevailed." 32:24-30 Isaac lives to be 180. 35:28 Chapter 36 presents another boring genealogy that we are told to avoid in 1 Tim.1:4 and Tit.3:9 ("Avoid foolish questions and genealogies.") 36:1-43 "And Judah saw there a daughter of a certain Canaanite ... and he took her, and went in unto her. And she conceived, and bare a son; and she called his name Er. And she conceived again [I guess Judah must have went in unto her again] and bare a son; and she called hi name Onan." (It seems that the probability of having a biblical daughter is considerably less than 50%.) 38:2-4 Joseph and his magic divining cup. 44:5, 15 Jacob lives to be 147. 47:28
Exodus The Israelite population went from 70 (or 75) to several million in a few hundred years. 1:5,7, 12:37, 38:26 God shows Moses some tricks that he says are sure to impress. First: Throw your rod on the ground; it will become a snake. 4:2-9 Then grab the snake by the tail and it will become a rod again. 4:4 Second: Make your hand appear leprous, and then cure it. 4:6-7 Then, if these two don't do the trick, pour water on the ground and it will turn into blood. (That ought to do it!) 4:2-9 God decides to kill Moses because his son had not yet been circumcised. Luckily for Moses, his Egyptian wife Zipporah "took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me. So he [God] let him go." This story shows the importance of penises to God, and his hatred of foreskins. 4:24-26 God says that Abraham didn't know that his name was Jehovah. Yet in Gen.22:14 Abraham names the place where he nearly kills Isaac after God's name, Jehovah. 6:3 In complaining about his difficulty with public speaking, Moses says, "Behold I am of uncircumcised lips." Maybe he should join Toastmasters. 6:12, 6:30 God tells Moses and Aaron that when Pharaoh asks for a miracle just throw your rod down and it will become a serpent. So when the time comes, Moses throws down his rod and it becomes a serpent. But the Egyptian magicians duplicate this trick. Luckily, for Aaron, his snake swallows theirs. (Whew!) 7:9-13 After the rod to serpent trick, God tells Moses and Aaron to smite the river and turn it into blood. This is the first of the famous 10 plagues of Egypt. Unfortunately, the magicians know this trick too, and they do so with their enchantments. Shucks! Just how the river could be turned to blood by the Egyptian sorcerers after it had been turned to blood by Moses and Aaron is not explained. 7:17-24 The second plague is frogs. Frogs covered the land. They were all over the beds and filled the ovens. But the Egyptian magicians did this trick too. (Did they wait until the frogs cleared out from the last performance before doing it again?) After the frog making contest was declared a draw, all the frogs died and "they gathered them together upon heaps; and the land stank." I bet. But at least it was all for the greater glory of God. 8:2-7 Plague #3 is lice in man and beast. This is the first trick that the magicians couldn't do. After this the magicians were convinced that Moses and Aaron's plagues were done by "the finger of God," and they gave up trying to match the remaining seven plagues. I guess lice are harder to make than frogs. 8:17-19 The fourth plague is swarms of flies, continuing the frogs and lice
theme. 8:21 The fifth plague: all cattle in Egypt die. 9:6 But a little later (9:19-20, 12:29), God kills them again a couple more times. The sixth plague: boils and blains upon man and beast.9:9-12 The seventh plague is hail. "And the hail smote throughout the land of Egypt all that was in the field, both man and beast." 9:22-25 Eighth plague: locusts that are so thick that they "covered the face of the whole earth." (Even over Antarctica?) 10:4-5 Ninth plague: three days of darkness. The darkness was so this that the Egyptians couldn't even see each other. But the darkness knew how to avoid the Israelites, and so "all the children of Israel had light in their dwellings." 10:21-23 The Egyptians chased after the Israelites with "all Pharaoh's horses." But according to Ex.9:3-6 there wouldn't have been any horses, since God killed them all in "a very grievous murrain." 14:23 God removes the wheels from the Egyptians' chariots. 14:25 God divided the sea with a "blast of [his] nostrils." 15:8 God stands on a rock and tells Moses to hit the rock. Then water comes out of it for the people to drink. God's such a clever guy! 17:6 As long as Moses the magician keeps his hand up, the Israelites are successful in battle, but the second his hand falls, they start getting beat. So when Moses' arm gets tired, Aaron props it up so that the Amalakites get slaughtered. 17:11-12 "The Lord has sworn [God swears!] that the Lord will have war with Amalek from generation to generation." So God is still fighting Amalek. I hope Moses can still keep his hand up. 17:14-16 God tells the priests not to go up the steps to the altar "that thy nakedness not be discovered thereon." (Skirts on stairs are a problem.) 20:26 "Thou shalt not seethe a kid in a kid in his mother's milk." 23:19 God has hornets that bite and kill people.23:27-28 God has feet.24:10 Six chapters are wasted on divine instructions for making tables, candlesticks, snuffers, etc. 25 - 30 God decrees that priestly garments, girdles, and bonnets shall be made "for glory and beauty." 28:2, 20, 40 Aaron must where a bell whenever he enters "the holy place" or God will kill him. 28:34-35 God gives instructions for making priestly breeches. "And thou shalt make them linen breeches to cover their nakedness; from the loins even
unto the thighs shall they reach." 28:42 God instructs the priests to burn the dung of bullocks outside the camp as a sin offering. 29:14 God tells Moses to kill a ram and put the blood on the tip of Aaron's right ear, and on his right thumb, and on his right big toe, and then sprinkle the blood around the altar. Finally, sprinkle some on Aaron and his sons and on their garments. This will make them "hallowed." 29:20-21 God tells Aaron and his sons to take the rump, fat, caul, kidneys, and right shoulder of the ram and add a loaf of bread or two, and a wafer of unleavened bread. Then they put the whole mess in the hands of Aaron and his sons and they wave them before the Lord. This is a wave offering. 29:22-24 And whoever uses God's favorite perfume will be exiled. 30:37-38 God's finger. 31:18 Although God is too shy to let Moses see his face, he does permit a peek at his "back parts." (The divine mooning) 33:23 God's name is Jealous. 34:14 Leviticus God gives detailed instructions for performing ritualistic animal sacrifices. such bloody rituals must be important to God, judging from the number of times that he repeats their instructions. Indeed the entire first nine chapters of Leviticus can be summarized as follows: Get an animal, kill it, sprinkle the blood around, cut the dead animal into pieces, and burn it for a "sweet savor unto the Lord." Chapters 1 - 9 When you are making your animal sacrifices, be sure to remember that "all the fat is the Lord's." God loves blood and guts, but most especially fat. And he doesn't like to share! 3:16 "If a soul shall sin through ignorance...." But how can someone "sin through ignorance?" Don't your have to at least know that an act is wrong before it can be sinful? 4:2, 13, 22, 27 If you touch any unclean thing (like a dead cow
@QuixoticSoul Wow you are getting paranoid. Must be because you don't have a legitimate answer. Oh well it is a case of mind over matter. You don't have a mind so it doesn't matter.
[b]Blessings for Obedience, Gods promise in Deutoronomy 28
[/b]28 “If you faithfully obey the voice of the Lord your God, being careful to do all his commandments that I command you today, the Lord your God will set you high above all the nations of the earth. 2 And all these blessings shall come upon you and overtake you, if you obey the voice of the Lord your God. 3 Blessed shall you be in the city, and blessed shall you be in the field. 4 Blessed shall be the fruit of your womb and the fruit of your ground and the fruit of your cattle, the increase of your herds and the young of your flock. 5 Blessed shall be your basket and your kneading bowl. 6 Blessed shall you be when you come in, and blessed shall you be when you go out.
7 “The Lord will cause your enemies who rise against you to be defeated before you. They shall come out against you one way and flee before you seven ways. 8 The Lord will command the blessing on you in your barns and in all that you undertake. And he will bless you in the land that the Lord your God is giving you. 9 The Lord will establish you as a people holy to himself, as he has sworn to you, if you keep the commandments of the Lord your God and walk in his ways. 10 And all the peoples of the earth shall see that you are called by the name of the Lord, and they shall be afraid of you. 11 And the Lord will make you abound in prosperity, in the fruit of your womb and in the fruit of your livestock and in the fruit of your ground, within the land that the Lord swore to your fathers to give you. 12 The Lord will open to you his good treasury, the heavens, to give the rain to your land in its season and to bless all the work of your hands. And you shall lend to many nations, but you shall not borrow. 13 And the Lord will make you the head and not the tail, and you shall only go up and not down, if you obey the commandments of the Lord your God, which I command you today, being careful to do them, 14 and if you do not turn aside from any of the words that I command you today, to the right hand or to the left, to go after other gods to serve them.
[b]Curses for Disobedience
[/b]15 “But if you will not obey the voice of the Lord your God or be careful to do all his commandments and his statutes that I command you today, then all these curses shall come upon you and overtake you. 16 Cursed shall you be in the city, and cursed shall you be in the field. 17 Cursed shall be your basket and your kneading bowl. 18 Cursed shall be the fruit of your womb and the fruit of your ground, the increase of your herds and the young of your flock. 19 Cursed shall you be when you come in, and cursed shall you be when you go out.
20 “The Lord will send on you curses, confusion, and frustration in all that you undertake to do, until you are destroyed and perish quickly on account of the evil of your deeds, because you have forsaken me. 21 The Lord will make the pestilence stick to you until he has consumed you off the land that you are entering to take possession of it. 22 The Lord will strike you with wasting disease and with fever, inflammation and fiery heat, and with drought[a] and with blight and with mildew. They shall pursue you until you perish. 23 And the heavens over your head shall be bronze, and the earth under you shall be iron. 24 The Lord will make the rain of your land powder. From heaven dust shall come down on you until you are destroyed.
25 “The Lord will cause you to be defeated before your enemies. You shall go out one way against them and flee seven ways before them. And you shall be a horror to all the kingdoms of the earth. 26 And your dead body shall be food for all birds of the air and for the beasts of the earth, and there shall be no one to frighten them away. 27 The Lord will strike you with the boils of Egypt, and with tumours and scabs and itch, of which you cannot be healed. 28 The Lord will strike you with madness and blindness and confusion of mind, 29 and you shall grope at noonday, as the blind grope in darkness, and you shall not prosper in your ways.[b] And you shall be only oppressed and robbed continually, and there shall be no one to help you. 30 You shall betroth a wife, but another man shall ravish her. You shall build a house, but you shall not dwell in it. You shall plant a vineyard, but you shall not enjoy its fruit. 31 Your ox shall be slaughtered before your eyes, but you shall not eat any of it. Your donkey shall be seized before your face, but shall not be restored to you. Your sheep shall be given to your enemies, but there shall be no one to help you. 32 Your sons and your daughters shall be given to another people, while your eyes look on and fail with longing for them all day long, but you shall be helpless. 33 A nation that you have not known shall eat up the fruit of your ground and of all your labours, and you shall be only oppressed and crushed continually, 34 so that you are driven mad by the sights that your eyes see. 35 The Lord will strike you on the knees and on the legs with grievous boils of which you cannot be healed, from the sole of your foot to the crown of your head.
36 “The Lord will bring you and your king whom you set over you to a nation that neither you nor your fathers have known. And there you shall serve other gods of wood and stone. 37 And you shall become a horror, a proverb, and a byword among all the peoples where the Lord will lead you away. 38 You shall carry much seed into the field and shall gather in little, for the locust shall consume it. 39 You shall plant vineyards and dress them, but you shall neither drink of the wine nor gather the grapes, for the worm shall eat them. 40 You shall have olive trees throughout all your territory, but you shall not anoint yourself with the oil, for your olives shall drop off. 41 You shall father sons and daughters, but they shall not be yours, for they shall go into captivity. 42 The cricket[c] shall possess all your trees and the fruit of your ground. 43 The sojourner who is among you shall rise higher and higher above you, and you shall come down lower and lower. 44 He shall lend to you, and you shall not lend to him. He shall be the head, and you shall be the tail.
45 “All these curses shall come upon you and pursue you and overtake you till you are destroyed, because you did not obey the voice of the Lord your God, to keep his commandments and his statutes that he commanded you. 46 They shall be a sign and a wonder against you and your offspring for ever. 47 Because you did not serve the Lord your God with joyfulness and gladness of heart, because of the abundance of all things, 48 therefore you shall serve your enemies whom the Lord will send against you, in hunger and thirst, in nakedness, and lacking everything. And he will put a yoke of iron on your neck until he has destroyed you. 49 The Lord will bring a nation against you from far away, from the end of the earth, swooping down like the eagle, a nation whose language you do not understand, 50 a hard-faced nation who shall not respect the old or show mercy to the young. 51 It shall eat the offspring of your cattle and the fruit of your ground, until you are destroyed; it also shall not leave you grain, wine, or oil, the increase of your herds or the young of your flock, until they have caused you to perish.
52 “They shall besiege you in all your towns, until your high and fortified walls, in which you trusted, come down throughout all your land. And they shall besiege you in all your towns throughout all your land, which the Lord your God has given you. 53 And you shall eat the fruit of your womb, the flesh of your sons and daughters, whom the Lord your God has given you, in the siege and in the distress with which your enemies shall distress you. 54 The man who is the most tender and refined among you will begrudge food to his brother, to the wife he embraces,[d] and to the last of the children whom he has left, 55 so that he will not give to any of them any of the flesh of his children whom he is eating, because he has nothing else left, in the siege and in the distress with which your enemy shall distress you in all your towns. 56 The most tender and refined woman among you, who would not venture to set the sole of her foot on the ground because she is so delicate and tender, will begrudge to the husband she embraces,[e] to her son and to her daughter, 57 her afterbirth that comes out from between her feet and her children whom she bears, because lacking everything she will eat them secretly, in the siege and in the distress with which your enemy shall distress you in your towns.
58 “If you are not careful to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that you may fear this glorious and awesome name, the Lord your God, 59 then the Lord will bring on you and your offspring extraordinary afflictions, afflictions severe and lasting, and sicknesses grievous and lasting. 60 And he will bring upon you again all the diseases of Egypt, of which you were afraid, and they shall cling to you. 61 Every sickness also and every affliction that is not recorded in the book of this law, the Lord will bring upon you, until you are destroyed. 62 Whereas you were as numerous as the stars of heaven, you shall be left few in number, because you did not obey the voice of the Lord your God. 63 And as the Lord took delight in doing you good and multiplying you, so the Lord will take delight in bringing ruin upon you and destroying you. And you shall be plucked off the land that you are entering to take possession of it.
64 “And the Lord will scatter you among all peoples, from one end of the earth to the other, and there you shall serve other gods of wood and stone, which neither you nor your fathers have known. 65 And among these nations you shall find no respite, and there shall be no resting-place for the sole of your foot, but the Lord will give you there a trembling heart and failing eyes and a languishing soul. 66 Your life shall hang in doubt before you. Night and day you shall be in dread and have no assurance of your life. 67 In the morning you shall say, ‘If only it were evening!’ and at evening you shall say, ‘If only it were morning!’ because of the dread that your heart shall feel, and the sights that your eyes shall see. 68 And the Lord will bring you back in ships to Egypt, a journey that I promised that you should never make again; and there you shall offer yourselves for sale to your enemies as male and female slaves, but there will be no buyer.”
@Carazaa [quote]If you faithfully obey the voice of the Lord your God, being careful to do all his commandments that I command you today, the Lord your God will set you high above all the nations of the earth. 2 And all these blessings shall come upon you and overtake you, if you obey the voice of the Lord your God. 3 Blessed shall you be in the city, and blessed shall you be in the field. 4 Blessed shall be the fruit of your womb and the fruit of your ground and the fruit of your cattle, the increase of your herds and the young of your flock. 5 Blessed shall be your basket and your kneading bowl. 6 Blessed shall you be when you come in, and blessed shall you be when you go out.[/quote] It's almost like the good lord couldn't imagine the type of future that we have now.
I have already told you that I did no such thing. You claim a removal that you cannot demonstrate, and which would have left easily demonstrable evidence, yet you still refer to as though it were real.
You now seem to have amended your original claim to one of editing to achieve removal of a sentence (seriously, how trivial can you be?), yet cannot specify the thrust of the original sentence (even as a paraphrase).
Are there to be further fabrications, or are you done for now?
I take it this has once again been a case of doing anything to avoid the topic at hand.
@Pfuzylogic You know we can all see the timestamps, right? Her comment was edited the same minute it was posted, more than half an hour before you responded to her.
The idea of an almighty god wanting to be worshipped is archaic and should be abandoned. It belongs into the dustbin of history. We have outgrown that.
@AgapeLove Music is real. Good is an opinion hence it is not real. You can think it's good, and then you can say that it's reality that you think it's good, but that doesn't make the music good.
But then we don't think like God, either. Nor can we figure everything out about Him with our limited understanding. That's why this all-powerful, omnipresent, omniscient God told us not to lean on our own feeble understanding when it comes to Him, or to judge Him. Who are WE to judge such a magnificent God?
Who is He, indeed!! God is love. God’s love is so great that He gave His only Son to bring us into fellowship with Him. God’s love not only encompasses the world, but embraces each of us personally and intimately.
—1 John 4:7-10
God is Jehovah-jireh. This name means “the God who provides.” Just as He provided yesterday, He will also provide today and tomorrow. He grants deliverance from sin, joy for the ashes of sorrow, and eternal citizenship in His Kingdom for all those adopted into His household. I'd say those alone, MORE THAN QUALIFY Him to deserve our worship. Without Him, we would ALL end up in Hell. No man in history suffered so horribly and so unmercifully because of our sins, just so we could have eternal life in heaven. He not only said He loves us. He proved it! And He [b]still[/b] called us His FRIEND. Could you?
It seems God has good reason to think of himself as the greatest conceivable being, because he is, in fact, that. He desires the praise and worship of every man and woman without exception.Not only is God the greatest thing to exist in reality and thus more than just the greatest idea ever conceived but he is also unlimited in his greatness, whether he creates or not. God plus the world (and God plus any creature) is not greater than God alone. This means that when the Creator creates, he doesn’t do it for his own increase in greatness; he acts purely out of love. Our existence is a gift, and gratitude ought to be our response. A narcissist has an exaggerated sense of self-importance and, thus, suffers from delusion. A person who understands himself as “the greatest conceivable being” may well be called morally corrupt and, perhaps, insane. He is in error and sees the world or wants the world to see him in a way that is not in accord with reality but a person who understands himself to be “the greatest conceivable being” and is that sees what is really and truly there. He sees reality as it truly is and “to see what truly is” is the measure of sanity. One can hardly fault God for his sanity. If God is bad, a lot of people are wrong and omg....
Because ([b]if[/b] he exists) he has the mindset of a 5 year old child. Lol, why create people, give them “free will”, and then get extremely upset and punish them with eternal hell when they don’t do what you want? Doesn’t he know everything? He’d know that people would do what they want... why’d he create us then? 🤔 Not only is God narcissistic and forces people to love him, but he also has very bad anger issues. Ah well, all that is way too much for any logical person to believe in. Thank god (hehe) he’s not actually real.
The Divine Twenty-Four are not like this, since their only task is to keep all of existence in balance. They want everyone to live lives as they wish to.
It is true that there are people who revere them, who pay their respects to them, but this a [i][b]voluntary act[/b][/i].
@SW-User In Skyrim, there are nine Divines, or eight if you're a foolhardy follower of the White-Gold Concordat.
Anyway, 'divine' is the closest English word for "Saeryan'fanera", which is Parolian (my native tongue) and is used to describe the exact role of these twenty-four non-mortals, to keep all of existence in balance, but 'Balancing Twenty-Four' sounds more like the name of a circus act.
Another straw man. If you want to debate something, you should counter the best argument of the person you disagree with, rather than shallow caricatures. This demonstrates you actually grasp what you disagree with.
@Carazaa The bible is just a bunch of books written by men. Books that contradict each other and defy the laws of physics btw. I am offended you use them to impose your beliefs on others.
I have found my truth and I am mature enough to realize it is different from yours and I don't feel the need to force it on you.
@GodSpeed63 Him wanting people to make certain choices is not free will. At least not free will that is respected. God apparently does want robots from the way you put it.
there are lots of other things one can complain about with religions. Why attack other people's beliefs though if they don't harm you? Some people need religion to explain the unexplainable, it makes them happy. Let them be, unless they proselitize or hurt you.
That is exactly what it sounds like. It would be considered an abusive relationship in any other context—even a parental one, which is closest to what the teachings describe.
it's a father and child relationship this is what you can be this is what I can give you you know what you need to do to get it it doesn't come free show you'll appreciate it and not pull your life, life and the earth through your arsehole and live like you have zero responsibility
@SimplyTracie That was just an example. Another example is to love God first, and everyone, and pray for our enemies, and to count our blessings and never complain about a single thing. If we do that, we will have our prayers answered. We will be on top making the decisions in our lives, lend and not borrow, be on top in companies not at the bottom, live where we want to live, do what we want to do etc, not at the "bottom" in our lives, not be cursed, and be on the bottom with no choices in our lives and have others decide everything for us.
Jesus died for humanity because he loves us, people like you who hate him so you don't have to be punished in hell forever because we all deserve it. Because God is just and all sins lead to death. Would you be tortured for someone who tells you that you are a narcissist, and they hate you? Thought not!
@Emosaur No because He wants to give us a choice and a chance, and because he is just and he lets us choose. If we [b]choose[/b] to sin we know that we will die. There must be a punishment for sin, because He is just. But because He loves us he took the punishment. He paid our debt!
Oh well. Nothing u can do abt it. 😂 What u said is true. The Creator can and will do whatever he desires. Ther isn't a thing u can do abt but live ur life.
