Evolution: is it necessary to know how life ultimately began in order to study and debate the evidence that evolution has since occurred? [Spirituality & Religion]
If you think it is, why do you think so? Can you explain that reasoning for me?
I ask because i've encountered a creationist's position that the evidence for evolution can be ignored if we don't know how life began. I point out that the theory of gravitation still allows us to study the interactions of matter without knowing how it came to be but this apt comparison appears to be ignored.
Since i've received no explanation from the parties involved, i'm coming to YOU! So. Thoughts?🙂
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You and I have crossed paths many times before so I hope that you remember that I am a person of faith who wholly and unreservedly accepts Darwinian evolution. Consequently, I have no answers to your question. Well, maybe one.
Literal creationism is a rather American phenomenon. Here in Europe, the Theory of Evolution was accepted by all of the main churches decades ago. Yes, even Catholicism. It has also been accepted by Judaism for just as long. But it is still an issue in America. It is still an issue among American “believers”.
Why is that?
Remember, these are the same people who voted for, and still support, trump. A person who by any measure should be their personification of the Anti-Christ.
I doubt that. The truth of God is growing in Europe and Asia and all over the world. Those 'churches' you mentioned are religious and do not know the heart of the one true God, Yahweh.
I agree with many of your statements but I am not American, I am Swedish. I learned all my "Christianity" from the Bible alone, no preachers. And I believe every word the Bible says. If there is a difference between the Bible and science I question science because it changes all the time. Just a few years ago the earth was "flat". I question science in some of the evolution assumptions. But I don't rule out that it could be true.❤️💞
[quote]. If there is a difference between the Bible and science I question science because it changes all the time[/quote]
I genuinely don't understand this line of reasoning which is very common to christians.
Yes, science changes based on new evidence. But can you explain for me why the fact that a mythology or religion which is set down does NOT change makes it more likely to be true in your eyes? If it was wrong in its origin then it is still wrong now, right? Why does the fact that the story rejects the evidence of the real world make it seem more plausible?
@Pikachu Because I am born again and I know this world is passing away and unreliable but God is real and lasting, that's why. I sent you a video of Bruce Lipton a Biologist (not a christian mind you) to your PM earlier but I will post it here too for others, because He is one who understands spiritual importance is more important than DNA and biology. It is an interesting video although I don't come to all his conclusions after his research but so interesting. Please watch just a little.
Well i get that you have faith, i'm just interested to see if you can explain why the fact that science alters based on new evidence and the bible remains the same in spite of new evidence should be considered a reason to distrust science where it contradicts the bible.
@Pikachu True science never contradicts the Bible. I believe in God, and science is from God. When we look at the world I see God so clearly because I see with spiritual eyes that God has given me. This is something Godspeed has shared before.
[quote]True science never contradicts the Bible.[/quote]
That's a no true scotsman fallacy, carazaa. In our PMs i've shown you scientific evidence which directly contradicts the bible. You can't simply declare that if it contradicts the bible then it is not true science. This attempts to remove contradictory evidence by excluding it from the definition of legitimate science purely on the basis that it does not support biblical claims.
Godspeed is big on declarations of faith but incredibly dishonest and prideful when it comes to actually supporting the reasoning behind his arguments. You have only to look at our discussion regarding the existence of atheists or his comments about why we must know the origins of life to study it to see that for yourself.
@Pikachu Sorry Yes your science contradicts the Bible, so I think those scientists missed something, either the dating of the fossils were wrong, or their conclusion that DNA is necessarily evidence because of similarities between species and animals. We can't assume just because Apes have 99% similar DNA that we came from them, no.
It's not my science, carazaa. It's just science. It's the science of that overwhelming majority of the scientific world. As i pointed out previously, in bird evolution we've got 3 separate "coincidences" or mistakes that all point to evolution but contradict the bible.
You must agree then that your rejection is not based in evidence but in faith. You can't point to any specific mistakes in experimentation or reasoning, you just conclude that since the science contradicts your world view that it must be in error.
Is this or is this not a fair characterization of your rejection of the evidence? If not, why not?
After all we've discussed, you're still saying that they're jumping to conclusions? I don't think that's fair. I also don't think that's a fair way to charaterize the motivations of scientists. Scientists are interested in finding out what is true, don't assign them the motivation of wanting to discredit a god.
@Pikachu Please just watch the video of a nuclear scientist who taught medicine for 20 years. It has a different perspective. He is NOT a Christian but he recognizes that there is something energetic in the air influencing us not just biology.
@Carazaa [quote]No I think those scientists jump to faulty conclusions to discredit God.[/quote]
You got that right, sister. True scientist do not jump to faulty conclusions like that. They bring out the truth in science regardless of where it leads them.
This is an interesting video. He is not a Christian mind you but a nuclear scientist and doctor of Medicine who is recognizing there is some forces in the universe outside of biology.
@Carazaa @Pikachu has already addressed your rather strange declaration that you trust something that relies on faith but you eschew something which can be empirically examined because "science.......changes all the time", so I'll not try to add to that.
However, being European, then I would expect you to be aware that all of the senior churches of all of the major Christian denominations have accepted evolution. Also, having learned your Christianity from The Bible, then you must be aware that it does not purport to be a scientific tome.
So why do you see a conflict between science and your Christian beliefs when no such conflict exists in The Bible?
@room101 I am a scientist myself. I am not seeing a conflict at all between science and God!! I just have problem with some scientists conclusions to their research. But like you I don't want to debate science I am here to witness what Jesus has done for me in my life. I get excited about that. Have a nice day!
