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How can anyone think that this beautiful world isn't created by God? [Spirituality & Religion]

I just can't logically understand how order can come from chaos. It just isn't possible. Any logical brain understands that order [i]has[/i] to come from a maker, not chaos. There [i]has [/i]to be a creator! A watch could never make itself, or a train, or a cell. Nope, not possible! Also it is so beautiful🌸!!

God created everything beautiful🌷! And He created time in perfect order, perfect years, months, weeks, and days. And divided time in two, before Christ and after Christ!🌤️ And gave us such a wonderful world, beautiful meadows, gorgeous oceans, and mountains, and such yummy food, such enjoyable company, intimate moments, beautiful lovemaking, gorgeous sunrises, and sunsets. God is so good! Boy we have messed it up with our hate, greed, complaining, and blaming when we have only ourselves to blame!
PlumBerries · 31-35, F
[c=#7700B2]my logical brain cant handle the thought of a all powerful being who was created out of nowhere has the power to create all living things and watches over all of us all the time and if we don't abide to his rules we don't get to live in his magical kingdom.. If there was such a being/god, I would imagine that god would give everyone actual evidence to its existence and without such evidence can not expect anyone with common sense to believe in such things when you get past the age of 10[/c]
@basilfawlty89

I'm totally unfamiliar with that.
Sure, link away
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
@Pikachu https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1571064513001188

https://www.google.com/amp/s/phys.org/news/2014-01-discovery-quantum-vibrations-microtubules-corroborates.amp

There are in the refers the criticism and responses to them.
@basilfawlty89

I'll have a look at those. Thanks.
Firespirit · 22-25, M
There are 4200 religions and only mine is right said every religion ever.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@ForgottenLore37 If you say so. Your logic is false but that is ok. You can stay in your puddle of despair. I really don't care since it is your choice.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@SW-User Islam is satanic so of course they would deny the fact that Jesus Died on the Cross thus undoing the work of satan. You don't pick figs from a thorn bush. There is simply too much evidence disproving islam and its teachings about the death of Jesus.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@kodiac Wrong interpretation. God is calling you from your own little hell. Do you want to come to His call or do you want to stay in your hell. He is giving you the choice. Choose wisely.
Because god created cancer and gave it to children
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@Carazaa

Gotta be god then because people with good immune systems get cancer too.
Carazaa · F
@Pikachu Thats what I figured 👍
tallpowerhouseblonde · 31-35, F
Our planet and the whole universe is in total chaos.Is this the same God that flooded the whole planet and told Noah to build an ark?Did God arrange the asteroid impact that wiped out the dinosaurs?Why did God allow the world wars to happen?
What was the name of that meeting in Constantinople where the Emperor decided what should be in the bible and what should be excluded.
Why does each religion thing they are right and all the other religions are wrong?
Where is God hiding?All this technology we find nothing.
tallpowerhouseblonde · 31-35, F
@ninjavu So its heart this if you are a stalker.
ninjavu · 51-55, M
@tallpowerhouseblonde Umm, yes, what you said.
[quote]Our planet and the whole universe is in total chaos.Is this the same God that flooded the whole planet and told Noah to build an ark?Did God arrange the asteroid impact that wiped out the dinosaurs?Why did God allow the world wars to happen?
What was the name of that meeting in Constantinople where the Emperor decided what should be in the bible and what should be excluded.
Why does each religion thing they are right and all the other religions are wrong?
Where is God hiding?All this technology we find nothing.[/quote]

There’s a flip side to that. People are always so eager to fault God. To be fair, we have to look at both sides and get the facts, before we can get a clear understanding. How ‘bout us?

We accuse a just, perfect, sinless God of violence, but we would do well to look at our own lives, before accusing Him. We spit upon Him, beat Him to a pulp, denied Him, rejected Him, mocked Him, and even today, cause wars, rape, murder, steal, commit adultery and fornication, lie, lust, cheat, betray, the list goes on. We are not holier than Almighty God, nor smarter or wiser. If we say we are, we are liars.

God is fair. Sin, is not! Christians of that day, stood up to their enemies, because they didn’t want to watch their children and wives ravaged and killed. Most of them perished by the sword. There is no scripture stating that it’s a sin to fight back in a violent way against an attacker. [u]God was keeping His promise to protect His children against their enemies in time of war[/u].

[b]Several times[/b] in the Gospels, Jesus’s enemies attempted to take His life, but instead of striking them down as He well could have, each time He eluded them. Sometimes His apostles vigorously defended themselves, yet many died as martyrs, while offering no resistance. They walked and talked with Jesus, and were willing to die for their faith in Him...all in their personal, written testimonies.

As far as God killing children, the Massacre of the Innocents describes infanticide by Herod the Great, the Roman-appointed King of the Jews. According to the Gospel of Matthew, Herod ordered the execution of all young male children, two years old and under in the vicinity of Bethlehem, so as to avoid the loss of his throne to a newborn King of the Jews, Jesus, whose birth had been announced to him by the Magi. It is fulfillment of an Old Testament prophecy.

Though God sometimes used warfare to bring justice upon entire societies and political structures, this does not mean he judged every specific person who was part of that group. The societal values that produced these detestable acts were the target of God’s actions. Unfortunately, some “innocent” people faced the consequences, but such, regrettably, are the ramifications of living in a world entirely corrupted by human evil, and nature of justice.

A modern example is World War II. Most would agree that the nations of Germany and Japan needed to be resisted, defeated, and held responsible for their aggressive and destructive acts, even if it meant that some civilians of those societies suffered consequences they did not explicitly deserve. Such are the consequences of war.
God did indeed often use warfare as an instrument of justice. In the Old Testament era, the people that God commanded Israel to fight against, had often committed extremely wicked acts. They had been warned for YEARS to clean up their act, but refused. They could not be allowed to continue in their sin and bring corruption to future generations.

Do we really hate evil? Or do we tolerate it as long as it doesn’t bother us? And what do we do with things we hate? Overlook them? No! This has been the pattern of society. And we fault God. Who are we to question a perfect God? Are we smarter and wiser than He?

@tallpowerhouseblonde
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
[quote]how order can come from chaos[/quote]

So you see things as they now are and arbitrarily pronounce that to be order. If things were different, then they would be a different order.

[quote]A watch could never make itself[/quote]

So because a watch had to have a designer, everything had to have a designer? That’s a [i]non sequitur[/i]

The rest of your post is merely your subjective characterisations, offered as part of your Argument from Personal Incredulity (you can’t comprehend it, so therefore you assume the right to just invent whatever convenient fiction suits you personally)
Carazaa · F
@Entwistle I don’t believe anything happens by chance personally. I used to believe in chance and coincidence, not any more. When something happens at my work now I know it’s God working it for my good, always.
Carazaa · F
@GodSpeed63
All or nothing kind of thinking. I think it’s a thinking error, or maybe just a spiritual
Problem.
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[quote]I just can't logically understand how order can come from chaos[/quote]

And that is a logical fallacy known as an argument from incredulity.
You don't understand it therefor it couldn't happen.

[quote]Any logical brain understands that order has to come from a maker[/quote]

Why?
What about crystals? That's an example from the natural world. Ordered structures occurring with no guidance.
The only way you can exclude that example is by pre-supposing that god created the order.
THAT is not a logical position.

[quote]Also it is so beautiful[/quote]

Can you explain why the fact that we consider many things in nature beautiful is evidence of a god? You'll agree that simply saying that we find things beautiful, therefor god is a bit of a non-sequitur to a non-believer.

And things like yummy food and enjoyable boning are just as readily explained by evolution, so how can we say it's evidence of a god?
Carazaa · F
@Pikachu I sure don't know much, but it doesn't matter at all to me. I just like honesty! You are one of the most mysterious people, for sure. I am in the business of finding things out about people, and I am a very curious person!
Bushranger · 70-79, M
I can't agree more with all of you.
@Carazaa

lol well i always try to be honest if nothing else. Enjoy the mystery!
Lucia · 36-40, T
It's great that you have your beliefs. But for some of us we can't logically understand how you can believe in a maker :-)

To each their own.
kodiac · 22-25, M
@Carazaa I pray you find clarity,i meant no disrespect but you are simply confirming what people tell me about christians .You have lost your way if your mission is to help others understand your faith. I don't believe you intend to be mean but it is what it is.
Carazaa · F
@kodiac
Here is a pro-tip, if you have nothing good to say don’t say anything at all! You only come on my post to be negative and criticize! Try to have something good and positive to contribute sometimes! Good night!
kodiac · 22-25, M
@Carazaa Blindness is sad i won't respond to your posts anymore i'm sorry you are so lost.Put down the bible and look in the mirror.I DIDN'T MEAN TO UPSET YOU
SW-User
Clearly you haven't read "The Blind Watchmaker"
@Emosaur [quote]You're the one denying its existence, so using your own logic, the burden of proof is on you.[/quote]

Taking @GodSpeed63 argument - [quote]By failing to provide any proof that He doesn't live, you've proven that He does live and you're suppressing the truth.[/quote],

he's just proven that The Flying Spaghetti Monster does live. r'Amen. :)
@Carazaa [quote]God explains this that everything invisible is eternal,[/quote]
That's just a cop out and demonstrably wrong. Try again.
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Adaydreambeliever · 56-60, F
I respect your right to believe as you wish. I would counter that any logical mind would struggle to imagine that something we don't know exists, some mythical being, somehow magicked everything up.. Much more logical to base it on science and evolution.

I do agree we have messed it up though
GeniUs · 56-60, M
Well you did ask a question and you got a multitude of answers. Next time you should write your bit, then add a poll with the single option of 'yes', then nobody can disagree with you on your question.
Adaydreambeliever · 56-60, F
@Carazaa lol respect??? You really don't know the meaning of the word! You have been totally disrespectful all along! And as for loving people.. I am afraid quite the opposite is true.. you only like people if they agree with you. I am sure God would be ashamed of the behaviour you engage in his name!
Carazaa · F
@Adaydreambeliever Can you answer why you say that without being abusive?
SW-User
[c=#BF0000]That's like cherry picking the good stuff .. real sound argument you got there 🙄

There is [b] definitely[/b] no religious god or diety 'cause a god wouldn't make rules about petty things like marriage, inheritance, sexuality etc. It's funny how the religious god can't see the bigger picture and that everyone has their own struggle and you can't point fingers so blatantly at people. Religion is made up and I'm sorry but religious people just don't come off as very smart to me. It's your belief so keep it to yourself [/c]
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
@SW-User well yeah, although those are religions. Zoroastrianism, Jainism, etc are religions, just without the personal God. People associate God with Abrahamic beliefs of God.
SW-User
@basilfawlty89 [c=#BF0000]I know and I was putting it in simple words 'cause people don't know about those religions and religion to them generally means Abrahamic religions 🤷‍♀️[/c]
Carazaa · F
@SW-UserMarriage institution is to protect children financially and emotionally, and it is a analogy of Jesus and His bride! Gods word is a love letter to humans, like a husband to his bride. How to get ready for Him, and how much he loves us.
redredred · M
Ice crystals form a perfectly symetrical hexagon. A hexagon has formed at Saturns north pole. These are simple examples of order from chaos. they are possible because ultimately, entropy wins. We might marvel at what we see in this universe but to require a mythical entity to explain everything as a miracle is just intellectually weak.
redredred · M
@Carazaa You simply dont know how to think. Logic is not that dufficult. Intellectually youre thinking in circles. You think the unexplained is explained by the unexplainable. Thats circular logic.
Carazaa · F
@redredred You continuously criticize people. You are very disrespectful to me telling me I don't know how to think! I have 2 Master degrees, one in Science and One in Arts. My logic professor who taught 5 logic classes in lecture halls one semester tested all her classes in logic. Only 2 people out of all her huge lecture classes had "Naturally logical brains" according to her test results. I was one of them. There was probably over 500 students tested, maybe 1000.
When I was 7 years old I asked God for wisdom. He gave me superb analytical skills.
But I am done talking to you because of your verbal abuse. Don't respond to any of my posts again please!
redredred · M
sure, I believe every thing you say. Cling to that and your invisible sky friend. @Carazaa
SW-User
The universe is vast, unfathomable place. Human beings are no where near understanding it. That being said, that doesn't mean a "higher" power is needed to explain how it came into being.
JimboUk · 31-35, M
Most people hate to have to answer for their actions, most people can't handle responsibility and push back from authority. Their desire can block logic.

People are given free will, turn from God and look at the misery and pain they go through (this website is an great example). Find an devout Christian who suffers such misery? I'm yet to find one.

Militant secularism and a weak pathetic church is another two powerful reasons people turn away from God.
JimboUk · 31-35, M
@Quizzical Well that's your opinion and the religious people are free to theirs. All that bitterness is not necessary.

The only true science which deals in absolute facts is mathematics. "Science" which is what I believe emboldens your belief that religion is "ridiculous" can only ever reach the stage of hypothesis.

For 300years people thought
Newton was correct with his theory of gravity until Albert Einstein came along.
Atheist's would die on a hill only weeks ago telling you the earth was 13.6b years old. Now 12.6b..
You are putting your "faith" in science while mocking relgious people for putting their "faith" in God almighty. Funny that if you ask me.
@JimboUk How many Christians would die on a hill telling you the earth is flat because it says so in the bible?
Quizzical · 46-50, M
@JimboUk Actually, I believe that religion is a load of ass because of my knowledge of mythology... previously known as religion.

Nothing in the Bible is new or unique, all those stories and parables about god and Jesus... Just taken from other belief systems which eventually died out.

The Word of God is at best a reworking of previous tales, at worst direct plagiarism.

So it was not science that confirmed my Atheism. It was fantasy, and a knowledge of history.
No DOUBT!! Such an amazing, gorgeous description, dear. Beautiful post. Thank you 🙏. I wholeheartedly agree!!

Carazaa · F
@LadyGrace What gorgeous pictures! 🌷
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@LadyGrace Gorgeous pictures, @LadyGrace, thank you for sharing them.
PoizonApple · 41-45, F
If that's your stance, we should blame God because clearly he made us idiots.
Carazaa · F
@GodSpeed63 It's the truth for me too!
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@PoizonApple [quote]If that's your stance, we should blame God because clearly he made us idiots[/quote]

No, man did that.
Carazaa · F
@GodSpeed63 Hence the state of the world!
Quizzical · 46-50, M
Give me a break! 🙄
Carazaa · F
@Quizzicalok I won't bother you until tomorrow then! Maybe you will feel different tomorrow?
Quizzical · 46-50, M
@Carazaa The heat death of the Universe will occur before I start believing in make believe deities...
Carazaa · F
@Quizzical OK, OK, Got it!
HairbrushDiva · 31-35, F
You believe in God but not everybody does.
HairbrushDiva · 31-35, F
@Carazaa So what sins do innocent people commit that have the consequence of being murdered?
Carazaa · F
@HairbrushDiva Not murdered, killed! God warns that “The wages of sin is death” “All have sinned and come short of the glory of God”

Any thing that is contrary to loving God and people is sin.

Jesus standards are [i]higher[/i] than the old testaments standards, The Old Testament says do not murder, Jesus says if you curse someone in your heart then you have committed murder. The Old Testament says do not commit adultery, Jesus says don’t listen after a woman or you’ve committed adultery, etc
HairbrushDiva · 31-35, F
@Carazaa What do you mean, "Not murdered, killed!"?
I have gone rogue. I am no longer a disciple of Papa Smurf. I have become an acolyte of Gargamel. People keep calling me evil but I just love cats. *shrugs* ❤️
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
[quote]And He created time in perfect order, perfect years, months, weeks, and days.[/quote]
😂
GeniUs · 56-60, M
Got to say I've been ignoring the absurdity of that, none of which is perfect.
The truth is out there:
https://www.timeanddate.com/time/earth-rotation.html
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@GeniUs It would have at least sounded a bit less bizarre if the year had 364 days with no leap years.
GeniUs · 56-60, M
yep leap years give away straight away that there is something not quite right with the system.
SW-User
I'm catholic but im so sick of these devotees trying to convince the whole world about what they preach. You can't force someone if they don't want to. You're no different from vegans.
SW-User
@Carazaa i dont even want to
Carazaa · F
@SW-User OK fine!
JimboUk · 31-35, M
@SW-User I can tell.
AnonymousJSS · 22-25, F
[quote]Any logical brain understands that order has to come from a maker, not chaos. There [i]has [/i]to be a creator![/quote]
Lol, you should've stopped right there.
A brain that is "logical" and one that thinks "there [i]has [/i]to be a creator" (thinking of a specific God that doesn't have any evidence- Jesus in this case) are not the same one.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@AnonymousJSS [quote]A brain that is "logical" and one that thinks "there has to be a creator" (thinking of a specific God) are not the same one.[/quote]

The logical brain doesn't need to think there's a Creator, it knows there's a Creator by observing the work that God has done in the universe and on the earth.
AnonymousJSS · 22-25, F
@GodSpeed63 That's like the opposite of logical but alright.
Carazaa · F
@AnonymousJSS Yes it is!
[quote]That is for sure He did it out of His own love for you![/quote]

OH yes!! Beautiful!!!
St0ut · 51-55, M
Without hate the is no love without greed there is no charity. Everything in balance
BiblicalWarrior · 51-55, M
@St0ut You are wrong. Love does not need hate, and neither does charity need greed.
SW-User
You don't have to understand. You understanding of my atheism is not required.
Ishtar · 22-25, F
Old George Carlin was wise. [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r-e2NDSTuE]
@Ishtar I miss that old fart. He predicted that people would end up super sensitive and be offended by everything today.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
You got that right, sister. Order can't come from chaos. This beautiful world of ours, in-spite of of the mess that man has made in it, was created by God, Yahweh.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@whowasthatmaskedman [quote]Anyone with an understanding of physics will dispute your claim that order doesn't come from chaos. [/quote]

Anyone who can understand physics accurately will agree with me.
Carazaa · F
@whowasthatmaskedmanYes, God makes everything orderly, so we know He created the world!
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@Carazaa By that level of logic, since I see the sun and moon rise The earth must be the centre of the Universe. And I was not the one who brought chaos into the picture. That was your godbotherer friend.
Platoscave · F
With "God" we can destroy the planet and love it. Drop the bomb and congratulate ourselves. Destroy any other culture we want and defend it to the ends of time. Ruin our neighbor's life. Ruin the lives of people you never met.

We are dealing with a WORD. It can mean anything we want it to.

GOOD GOD
GeniUs · 56-60, M
If you must believe in a creator surely it is easier to believe in one who isn't a god. I could paint a picture but I'm no god, I could create an environment in which bacteria, insects or even animals could exist, it still doesn't make me a god.
And yet I can't logically understand how someone could believe this (as in everything that exists) is created by a higher being.

And I'm happy with my science based thoughts and I hope you find joy in your beliefs too:)
SW-User
@Carazaa @Pikachu Hey guys. I dare not wade in, but I just want to say it's amazing that people are actually able to have a forthright but RESPECTFUL debate about a very controversial subject. Excellent!😊👍
Carazaa · F
@SW-User [ @Pikachu
Always✌️
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Carazaa. I am a Christian, but it pains me to say that if Heavens streets are paved with gold, then most Christians will be trying to sneak chisels through the Pearly Gates......... Those pearls aren't safe either.................or any of those other precious metals and stones for that matter.
Wouldn't you just rather see nature?
Carazaa · F
@puck61 God will make it more beautiful and peaceful than anything we have ever seen! If God made the oceans, the meadows, and the forests, I trust him!
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPriOQkKd6k
Sarabee · 41-45
Hey everyone I created a new world from cymbals
Ian123 · 61-69, M
Totally agree with you 🤗👍
Carazaa · F
@Ian123 🙏 thank you!
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
Foolishness.
Carazaa · F
@GodSpeed63 Certainly agree☕️🍰
JonathanC · 61-69, M
What a crock of shit.
Entwistle · 56-60, M
He must also have created cancer,toothache,murder,schizophrenia etc. Maybe you don't see these things?
Carazaa · F
@Entwistle Oh I thought that was caused by bad nutrition, sugar, hate, and stress!
midnightsun · 26-30, M
I don't believe in Christ.

I believe in lord Shiva and krishna
Carazaa · F
@midnightsun then who pays for your sins, if not Jesus? And does Shiva answer your prayers?
midnightsun · 26-30, M
@Carazaa yes they do
Tennessee · 46-50, F
And God make beautiful varieties of grass with different seedheads.

[youtube=https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o-CJ9ehLTlw]
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
Patterns certainly can come from chaos.

[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnlkKdDXk-I]
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@Emosaur Definitely. He demands that people love him or else they are going to hell.
I've had enough of abusive relationships in my lifetime.

 
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