Science Really Does Point To God [Spirituality & Religion]
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GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Harriet03 Then ask Jesus Christ into your heart and life to be forgiven of your sins and He'll gladly take care of your problem.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Harriet03 [quote]You're lying again.[/quote]
There's only one, Jesus Christ. Harriet, have you ever considered that you might be wrong and that God, Yahweh, the one true God, lives and loves you with all His heart? Have you ever considered what He's given to you to show that He does love you? I'm praying for you.
There's only one, Jesus Christ. Harriet, have you ever considered that you might be wrong and that God, Yahweh, the one true God, lives and loves you with all His heart? Have you ever considered what He's given to you to show that He does love you? I'm praying for you.
SomeMichGuy · M
@Harriet03
[quote]In working my way through 'saviors', there is 1000s of them![/quote]
Exaggerated total by one or more orders of magnitude, but point taken.
[quote]In working my way through 'saviors', there is 1000s of them![/quote]
Exaggerated total by one or more orders of magnitude, but point taken.
SomeMichGuy · M
@Harriet03
[quote]How thoughtful of god to arrange matters, that wherever you happen to be born. That local religion happens to be the right one!!
AMAZING...[/quote]
This actually makes @GodSpeed63's point, oddly enough. If he were pushing Shinto in Japan, Hinduism in India, Judaism in Israel, Scientology in LA 😉, you would be "spot on" as the Brits say.
But why is Christianity here in North America...and Central/South America...and S. Korea, Australia, New Zealand, Africa, Europe, NW Asia, ...?
It is properly "local" to a part of Israel, being an interpretation of Scripture given by a Jew who was called a teacher by some people. It is not the indigenous religion in the Western Hemisphere, Oceania, Africa, most of Asia, or even Europe.
Think about it...did any of the other "saviors" end up getting this much traction?
[quote]How thoughtful of god to arrange matters, that wherever you happen to be born. That local religion happens to be the right one!!
AMAZING...[/quote]
This actually makes @GodSpeed63's point, oddly enough. If he were pushing Shinto in Japan, Hinduism in India, Judaism in Israel, Scientology in LA 😉, you would be "spot on" as the Brits say.
But why is Christianity here in North America...and Central/South America...and S. Korea, Australia, New Zealand, Africa, Europe, NW Asia, ...?
It is properly "local" to a part of Israel, being an interpretation of Scripture given by a Jew who was called a teacher by some people. It is not the indigenous religion in the Western Hemisphere, Oceania, Africa, most of Asia, or even Europe.
Think about it...did any of the other "saviors" end up getting this much traction?
SomeMichGuy · M
@Harriet03 misuse of religion happens with all religions, and land grabs happened as part of various struggles/wars between various countries with or without religion
to your original point, Christianity is *not* the proper "local" religion of the vast majority of the world...
to your original point, Christianity is *not* the proper "local" religion of the vast majority of the world...
SomeMichGuy · M
@Harriet03 no, "hun", you fail to understand how your original point fails and you want to blame Christianity for an application of itself which violates the founder's basic teachings, "hun"
SomeMichGuy · M
@Harriet03 Hun, I do know my history, with a concentration in religion & religious thought.
Your own argument fails both by numbers of "saviors" and, more importantly, by your inability to see that your own notion of "local" religion is at least poorly considered...and, as stated, actually supports the opposite side.
Hun, you are not near old enough or close enough to use "hun" in a positive way, nor does the condescension of its use fit the facts, here.
Your own argument fails both by numbers of "saviors" and, more importantly, by your inability to see that your own notion of "local" religion is at least poorly considered...and, as stated, actually supports the opposite side.
Hun, you are not near old enough or close enough to use "hun" in a positive way, nor does the condescension of its use fit the facts, here.
SomeMichGuy · M
@Harriet03 Hun, I use facts all the time.
You have presented your personal beliefs about facts as facts.
For instance, how many "saviors" can you find attested in all religions? Where do you get the numbers?
Christianity has Jesus, Judaism has the Messiah, B'hai has resurrected Jesus, so the count is still 2 by B'hai standards... Mohammed is referred to as "the Prophet", he is not a "savior". The Bhodisattva is an enlightened being, but a "savior"?
The various pantheons--Sumerisn, Babylonian, Egyptian, Greek, Latin, etc.--have lots of gods, but how many are "saviors"? They are mostly modeled on ordinary men & women who have powers which allow their very human traits to be expressed in grief for all manner of people.
You have presented your personal beliefs about facts as facts.
For instance, how many "saviors" can you find attested in all religions? Where do you get the numbers?
Christianity has Jesus, Judaism has the Messiah, B'hai has resurrected Jesus, so the count is still 2 by B'hai standards... Mohammed is referred to as "the Prophet", he is not a "savior". The Bhodisattva is an enlightened being, but a "savior"?
The various pantheons--Sumerisn, Babylonian, Egyptian, Greek, Latin, etc.--have lots of gods, but how many are "saviors"? They are mostly modeled on ordinary men & women who have powers which allow their very human traits to be expressed in grief for all manner of people.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Harriet03 [quote]How thoughtful of god to arrange matters, that wherever you happen to be born. That local religion happens to be the right one!![/quote]
You haven't answered my questions.
You haven't answered my questions.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
Bushranger · 70-79, M
@GodSpeed63 Not nice when people don't answer your questions, is it.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Bushranger [quote]Not nice when people don't answer your questions, is it.[/quote]
Not nice at all. So, when are you going answering my question on here?
Not nice at all. So, when are you going answering my question on here?
Bushranger · 70-79, M
@GodSpeed63 If you mean the question about can I prove that God doesn't exist, answered already, but I'll do it again. No, I can't, just as you can't prove He does. Or maybe the questions of what came before the big bang or how life came about, again already answered. But here we go again, the answer is I don't know, but that doesn't necessarily imply that it was by divine intervention, just as it doesn't imply any other hypothesis.
If I've missed any, please let me know. I dislike holding others to a different standard than I'm willing to accept.
If I've missed any, please let me know. I dislike holding others to a different standard than I'm willing to accept.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Bushranger [quote]No, I can't, just as you can't prove He does.[/quote]
You can't prove that the one true God, Yahweh, doesn't live and yet you keep claiming he doesn't live. Not too smart.
God doesn't have to prove Himself to you. He's left more than enough evidence so that you're without excuse.
[quote]But here we go again, the answer is I don't know, but that doesn't necessarily imply that it was by divine intervention, just as it doesn't imply any other hypothesis[/quote]
That makes about as much sense 2+2=5. You don't know how life began because you choose not to believe in the one true God, Yahweh, who created life. As I said before, God created science and not the way around. Yet, you insist on using science to make God go away. Since you can't prove that He doesn't live, give some thought that He does live and that He says whom He says He is.
You can't prove that the one true God, Yahweh, doesn't live and yet you keep claiming he doesn't live. Not too smart.
God doesn't have to prove Himself to you. He's left more than enough evidence so that you're without excuse.
[quote]But here we go again, the answer is I don't know, but that doesn't necessarily imply that it was by divine intervention, just as it doesn't imply any other hypothesis[/quote]
That makes about as much sense 2+2=5. You don't know how life began because you choose not to believe in the one true God, Yahweh, who created life. As I said before, God created science and not the way around. Yet, you insist on using science to make God go away. Since you can't prove that He doesn't live, give some thought that He does live and that He says whom He says He is.
Bushranger · 70-79, M
@GodSpeed63 I have repeatedly said that I personally do not believe that I have seen enough evidence to prove that God exists, however, that doesn't mean that the probability of God existing is 0. Just that I haven't seen enough to prove it.
You are making a positive claim that your God created everything. I'm saying I don't have enough evidence to make any claim as to what came before the big bang. It's up to you to provide proof. I'm waiting.
You are making a positive claim that your God created everything. I'm saying I don't have enough evidence to make any claim as to what came before the big bang. It's up to you to provide proof. I'm waiting.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Bushranger [quote] I'm waiting.[/quote]
Romans 1 New King James Version (NKJV)
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
The Word of God.
Romans 1 New King James Version (NKJV)
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
The Word of God.
Bushranger · 70-79, M
@GodSpeed63 Are you saying that your God doesn't know everything that has happened, is happening, or will happen?
Sharon · F
@SomeMichGuy [quote]But why is Christianity here in North America...and Central/South America...and S. Korea, Australia, New Zealand, Africa, Europe, NW Asia, ...?[/quote]
Because it had better equipped and more ferocious armies than other, more peaceful, religions.
Because it had better equipped and more ferocious armies than other, more peaceful, religions.
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