Science Really Does Point To God [Spirituality & Religion]

@redredred [quote]I asked you a simple, direct question. Which of the forty thousand gods humans have worshipped is science pointing to and how do you know its that god?[/quote]

You mean, after all this time posting to one another, you don't know what God I'm talking about. Did you have memory loss? Can I pray for you?

Speaking of memory loss, youve forgotton the second part of my question; how do you know which god it is? And don't try to just give me a citation from his fan clubs rule book.@GodSpeed63

@redredred [quote]how do you know which god it is? And don't try to just give me a citation from his fan clubs rule book.@GodSpeed63[/quote]

What rule book would that be? If you want to know the one true God, His Spirit of Truth reveals who He is, not me.

Youre not ever average when it come to dissembling. Which of the forty thousand illusions do you think science points to and how do you know? Your unwillingness to answer a simple direct question tells everyone all they need to know about your point.@GodSpeed63

I have told you - the God who in history rose from the dead! @redredred

That describes about 2-300 gods all written up in various histories, all equally mythical. @Speedyman

@Speedyman There is no valid historical evidence of Jesus Christ ever having existed let alone him rising from the dead.

If you belueve that then you have even less of a grasp of history than I credited you with - ie less than zero. @Entwistle

please provide a historical (non-biblical) reference to the existence of jesus.@Speedyman

Josephus. Tacitus. The fact the church exists at all is a testimony that Mesus existed if you actually think. @redredred

@Speedyman Okay, I know scholarship is hard for you but simply writing down names is not providing a citation. Exactly what did Josephus or Tacitus say? Precise quotes, in context please.

Lots of churches exist. Does that mean the entire pantheon of Hinduism exists or that of scientology exists?

The new Testament is the best attested historical document there is of its time. It has been mostly been picked over by scholars than any other ancient historical document. Try starting there. @redredred

@Speedyman No, not even close. Caesars Gallic Wars is still a valuable document because it can be verified by other sources and it is internally consistent without obvious errors and contradictions.

Plus, the bible itself cannot be used to support or verify the bible. It is abundantly clear that you have no clue how scholarship works. You have yet to provide a citation from Josephus, Tacitus or anyone else.

You're a completely misinformed. Caesar's Gaelic wars does not even touch the new Testament for textual accuracy. Yes it is regarded as a important historical document. Yes it is regarded as a important historical document It is you who has not a clue of how scholarship works. Those of us who have actually studied these things know these things and know that you are completely up the creek with your misunderstanding. It is unfortunate that your bigotry lead you to your misunderstanding@redredred

@Speedyman Find another, corroborating historical, contemporaneous reference to the plagues of egypt. Find another to someone surviving three days in the belly of a whale. Find one for the ressurection or even a preacher named Jesus.

The bible cannot be used to corroborate the bible.

You are a complete idiot. Who says the Bible can't be used to corroborate the Bible apart from tiny minded people like yourself? We often accept evidence just from one person in court. Of course we can't except evidence for another person surviving 3 days in a fish because no one else has ever done it . It would be very strange if Egyptians had reference to the plagues of Egypt because kings in those days only used to write about the victories not defeats . In any case we need to start with the new Testament which is the best corroborated agent document there is . Apart from to misinformed people like you@redredred

Okay, what other document corroborates the new testament? What other document, written by others supports the claims made in the new testament?@Speedyman

There are documents which mention Jesus and his followers but you would hardly expect in the ancient world a huge number of biographies to be written by heathen writers about an obscure carpenter from Galilee. The problem is people like you don't understand the historical facts of the ancient world which haven't got Twitter or Facebook. Let me tell you the documentary evidence surrounding Jesus of Nazareth is as strong as for any other ancient figure and is a lot stronger than for most @redredred

@Speedyman Okay, which documents by which writers? Cite them, it should be easy for you.

The Gospel writers are historians. Luke is reckoned to be one of the greatest of all ancient historians. your bigotry astounds me@redredred

@Speedyman Okay, assuming no serious head injury in your past try this as a scholarly concept. Luke is a new testament writer. I asked you to provide corroboration which would indicate a writer who is NOT part of the new testament.

That means not Paul, not Mark, not Matthew, not John, Not John of Patmos and not anyone else from the new testament.

Well having visited the sites that Luke describes personally I would vouch for his scholarship. You see some of us have done some real personal research on these matters . Have you taken the trouble to do that? Or are you still just on your silly websites? @redredred

@Speedyman Corrororating writers!! Thats how scholarship is done. You claimed they existed, cite them and stop dodging the question. I dont care where you vacation and you have no credentials as a historian.

You honestly Haven't a clue about ancient scholarship have you? The fact us that there are always few documents as writing was scarce everyone and a difficult art which few could actually do. You appear to think the New Testament writers had a word processor and access to the Internet. Added to this the papyrus they wrote on easily perished so the number and quality of the New Testament documents easily exceed any other ancient writing. In addition, when you actually examine the historical sites behind the New Testament (which I have done - have you?) the New Testament comes out as well if not better than other ancient documents. So instead of living your life in bigotry and prejudice you would be better to get some education and actually do some research and find out for yourself rather than looking at uninformed websites . Please don't spend the rest of your life living in Ignorance @redredred

@SpeedymanIt was you who claimed that the new testament was a valuable, documented historical source. I asked you for basic, scholarly corroboration. As of yet, youve provided none but have quibbled about all sorts of unrelated crap.

Your bible is a load of myths and you cant prove otherwise.