No case for god. [Spirituality & Religion]
They can say "god exists" all they like, but it wouldn't be the truth.
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GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
Copycat. But, you have yet to produce any kind of evidence for that claim.
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Bushranger · 70-79, M
@hippyjoe1955 Which is what I'm saying. Regardless of the author, the intent of the Bible is to provide spiritual guidance. I don't have a problem with that. If someone wishes to believe that particular truth is derived from God, fine. If not, I'm fine with that too. Notice, I'm not saying that God doesn't exist, just that I don't believe.
Bushranger · 70-79, M
CookieLuvsBunny · 31-35, F
@hippyjoe1955 @Bushranger The reason for the discrepancies is that the books were written well after the fact and not by witnesses of the events and were written for a particular purpose.
The different Gospels stating different dates for the trial and execution of Jesus and contradicting each other about numerous events does NOT add to their validity
The different Gospels stating different dates for the trial and execution of Jesus and contradicting each other about numerous events does NOT add to their validity
MaryWat · 70-79, F
a belief in any god is the ultimate solipsism.
And probably one of the ultimate stupidities in arguing for some sort of god is basically shown here, effectively at the children's playground logic of "Ya boo sucks, well YOU can't prove he doesn't exist"
It's the classic logical fallacy of "argumentum ad ignorantiam":
And probably one of the ultimate stupidities in arguing for some sort of god is basically shown here, effectively at the children's playground logic of "Ya boo sucks, well YOU can't prove he doesn't exist"
It's the classic logical fallacy of "argumentum ad ignorantiam":
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ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
@Kingfish28 That's the whole basis of the gods concept: the insecurity of the human mind and it's need to believe there is something out there "greater" because that is so much more comforting than facing the truth of an uncaring universe in which the human ego isn't something special.
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PhoenixPhail · M
@SW-User Except for the near-death experiencers, I think EVERYONE takes it on faith.
FrostBorne · 31-35, M
Science still doesn't know everything. Science still cannot tell us where and how everything began. I know, the big bang theory, but science still can't answer what happened before that. We still don't have cures for cancer or even something as simple as eczema. We are barely scratching the surface of what science can teach us, yet, somehow, even knowing that we still don't have all the answers, some conclude that it absolutely isn't possible that God exists. How can someone say, with absolute certainty, that God doesn't exist when science can't even cure the common cold? We once had no case that the earth wasn't the center of the solar system, or even that there was a solar system, until we discovered the science that told us otherwise.
Perhaps God does exist, but our science isn't advanced enough to find Him.
Perhaps God does exist, but our science isn't advanced enough to find Him.
Cabernetfranc · 80-89, M
Or Her?@FrostBorne
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
@Cabernetfranc Or It?
@ChipmunkErnie Or they.
PhoenixPhail · M
@Harriet03 I agree, totally. When I talk about Source, I'm not talking about a deity - like some old man with a white beard who lives above the clouds. There are evidences of oneness and unity everywhere in the universe, as far as we or telescopes can see. Religion is a crock of shit, and it's used as more of a separating device than a uniting one. It's about nothing but power, control and money.
PhoenixPhail · M
@suzie1960 Got it. I agree.
AlexPett · 26-30, M
You can say "you exist" all you want. But prove to yourself that you exist. Prove to yourself that you aren't living in a "matrix" or whatever and that this is just a dormant version of yourself. Or perhaps that you are NOT living in a dream like state of an unconscious street rat?
AlexPett · 26-30, M
@Sharon even the thoughts aren't enough evidence. the thoughts can be illusive and the reality they give birth to can seem like it manifests in its current form. The thoughts could very well be originating from random universal conscience (not advocating for it though). Descartes failed to prove anything except that he is smart with words.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
I'd ask you how you know there's no case for God but then you would dodge my question like the plague. I would also ask you to provide support for your claim, but then, you'd make up all kinds of excuses as to why you don't have to provide that support. You'd make a lie detector machine go wild.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@suzie1960 [quote]If there were a coherent logical case, I should expect at least one of the apologists to have presented it by now.[/quote]
Don't talk to me about logic, it's clear you don't know anything about logic.
Don't talk to me about logic, it's clear you don't know anything about logic.
suzie1960 · 61-69, F
@GodSpeed63 [quote]Don't talk to me about logic,[/quote]
Don't you understand it then? Just explain why you apologists keep making unsupported claims rather than simply proving your case by presenting the evidence you say you have.
Don't you understand it then? Just explain why you apologists keep making unsupported claims rather than simply proving your case by presenting the evidence you say you have.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@suzie1960 [quote] Just explain why you apologists keep making unsupported claims rather than simply proving your case by presenting the evidence you say you have.
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God, Yahweh, doesn't have to prove Himself to anybody, He's already given evidence that He does live and that His Word is truth.
If you want to start talking about unsupported claims, start with your own first. You haven't supported your own claims on here since I've known you.
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God, Yahweh, doesn't have to prove Himself to anybody, He's already given evidence that He does live and that His Word is truth.
If you want to start talking about unsupported claims, start with your own first. You haven't supported your own claims on here since I've known you.
PhoenixPhail · M
It depends on your definition of "God."