@Underconstruction Yes, the God character is much worse. This is why the Gnostic Christians believed that the God of the Bible was an evil demiurge named Yaldabaoth, who was the son of Wisdom, which had itself been created by the true God. So their goal was to get past the evil God of the Bible and know the one true God above him. This sect was suppressed when the much simpler Christianity of Paul took hold.
@LeopoldBloom Yikes, yes, I wonder how people still worship such a monstruos "god". Unbelievable. Thanks for the info, btw
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@Pikachu Because God is the only person that really understands what death means for someone. He created both the world of the living and the world of the dead. If he wants at any point to transfer any of his creations from one world to the next, that’s up to him. As we are probably all sinners, that’s a just action for him to take.
@SW-User Post-mortem salvation is not a universally-accepted Christian concept. In Protestant denominations, purgatory doesn't exist - you die and either go to heaven or hell.
According to Rob Bell (author of "Love Wins"), God's love is so great that even souls in hell can be saved.
Why did he sanction slavery- to make his loved ones the Jews wake up Why did he command genocide- Arab terrorist kill them all Why does he have to shake so much -why can't yu just obey Love God serve him and yu will feel peace no doubt
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@Sarabee I can already sense the storm of angry replies. Prepare for the worst.
Here is the thing you can’t perceive in your ignorance and self absorption that makes him have superior absolute moral authority.
God can and will bring all these people back to life, even you, in a future of his choosing, free from the influence of Satan, where they can be taught how to live in peace, free from the trappings of this corrupted world.. this is not heaven btw...
You can’t..............
So he let millions of people who rejected and cursed his name die. So he let a 12 year old girl get raped and murdered who didn’t follow his ways, or maybe it was her parents.. these people are not innocent.. our sins hold a death penalty, and for some it’s tragic and swift for others long and painful... they are learning examples for those who do want to follow god, how to do it correctly and receive his blessings and protection that he promises to give to those who obey his word and teachings... In the end, they all get restarts anyways.. to him it’s like putting dolls away to play with them at a later date
@suzie1960 I’m stating my personal opinion, I’m not here to argue it aginst yours or make claims you can’t accept ... I don’t care if you think it’s ridiculous or asinine.. it’s what I believe and you can go fuck yourself if you have a problem with it..
The definition of God is based; I believe, on the environment of the society at the time. In today's society in the big churches it's all about the "prosperity gospel" so it's about greed.
So god sets down a moral code. A set of tools by which we judge right from wrong....and then he proceeds to act in direct contradiction of those rules and we give him a pass because...?
@Pikachu I don’t recognize anything you say that God has done is wicked . God is the Ruler of the Universe , anything He does is not for me to question . You are simply looking for an arguement and to put words in my mouth or assume I mean something I didn’t say . I have spoken what the Bible has told me and that is what it is , like it or not . God IS the Creator of ALL thing and by Him they were created and when He judges I am not in any position to question . End of discussion .
[quote]anything He does is not for me to question[/quote]
Exactly. You're content to stop thinking at "God owns us so he can do whatever he wants." I haven't asked you to tell me what is written in the bible. I've asked you to use the brain god gave you to explain rationally why genocide and torture can be considered morally correct depending on who is doing the killing and the torturing.
You appear either unable or unwilling to explain your thought process in that area. I'm not trying to argue with you, i'm trying to have a discussion with you. If you're not interested then i agree that we've reached a conclusion. Have a nice night.
Most textual critics and bible scholars will tell you that the bible has been changed. The God of the bible versus the concept of God derived from the current bible are two different things.
@SW-User Relax. Even the days of the week are a religious phenomena lol. We need 7 days a week. Anyways don’t worry too much about this discussion. Sunday is fun day.
@SW-User morals exist outside of religious ideoligies and gods, in social creatures like humans they are derived from social wellbeing to promote success in the species.
@SW-User The Euthyphro Dilemma presents the logical impossibility of a moral deity. It asks if the gods love what is good because it is objectively good, or if what the gods love is good just because the gods love it. Both answers have their own problems.
@Pikachu It is quite obvious you are a bigot by your posts. Small minded twit. Learn to think then we can have a discussion.
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@hippyjoe1955 You're just calling 'em an idiot yet you don't try to even counter any of the points they've made. It makes it seem as if you have nothing to debate with, other than your disdain for her argument. 🤔
