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Hi creationists! I want to know what you feel is evidence that life on this planet was created rather than evolved. [Spirituality & Religion]

Share with me your number one [i]best[/i] evidence that creation and not evolution is responsible for the diversity of life we see on this planet.
PhoenixPhailM
It's a lot easier to read one book and fall in with a crowd of believers, than to read a bunch of hard books and do a lot of thinking.
Carver31-35, F
One word: Bible. *drops mic*
@Carver

lol this is actually the genuine argument of many creationists.
Groofydorkgerdo56-60, M
@Carver Uh, .. you drop your mic ...
Carver31-35, F
@Groofydorkgerdo That's right. 馃檯
Bushranger70-79, M
Let me see if I can make an attempt to do it. Believers say that God has existed forever and will continue to do so. Science says that the universe is about 14 billion years old, a finite time frame compared to God's infinity. Science also seems to be silent in regard to what happened before the big bang, with several hypotheses put forward. Given the preceding, is it possible that God brought about the big bang, thus starting the evolution of the whole universe.

Damn, but that took some effort lol.

Edited because I felt that I had misrepresented myself and science.

Ok, I've given this a bit of thought. What I've presented is not evidence. While there appears to be evidence of the big bang, it is not possible to provide evidence of what came before it. Any statement based on unverifiable statements is just a faith based attempt to justify a belief system.
@Bushranger


[quote] Given the preceding, is it possible that God brought about the big bang, thus starting the evolution of the whole universe. [/quote]

Certainly possible. Just not evident馃槈
lol ah, i see you realized this yourself. Still, good effort.
Bushranger70-79, M
@Pikachu Bit rough when it takes an atheist to make an attempt 馃槈
GodSpeed6361-69, M
Evolution can't explain where life came from or people and animals came about as they are today from the very beginning. The Word of God can.
@GodSpeed63

[quote] Accidents do not create beauty or order[/quote]

Interesting claim. You must now support it. I don't think even you would argue that seeds are dispersed by the wind according to a design and yet a forest may be beautiful. A mountain range may suffer random erosion by air and water and still be beautiful.
I'd say you're wrong on that point.

But this is secondary to the challenge i made, the challenge you have failed to meet. Of course god could create diversity if he so chose. I've asked you to share what you feel is the best EVIDENCE that creation and not evolution accounts for the diversity of life on this planet. You follow? Not a speculation about whether god could or would want to create diversity. Share with me the DATA which indicates that creation is the more likely explanation.

Can you do that for me?
GodSpeed6361-69, M
@Pikachu [quote]A mountain range may suffer random erosion by air and water and still be beautiful.[/quote] That's not accident. An explosion is an accident, crashes are accidents, falls are accidents, you get my meaning here? If anyone failed here, it's you. You failed to understand what I meant by accidents. You ought to know better than that. The universe and everything in it, including earth was and never will be accidental because they're in order and they are beautiful. That's your evidence for God who created everything perfect before man messed it up. If you can't see that or don't want to see it, don't blame me, the church, or God.
@GodSpeed63

[quote]That's not accident[/quote]

Sure they are. Unless you're telling me that god consciously controls every whips of wind, raindrop and grain of sand.
And if you do then you're just setting up yet another unfalsifiable (and therefore indefensible) assertion.
If you say that accidents cannot create order or beauty and you know this because everything that is ordered and beautiful is the conscious work of god there there's no way to be proven wrong lol.
That's not evidence. You understand that, right? That is to say, it is not evidence you can present to anyone who does not already share your belief.
To put it simply that is not data, that is a faith claim.

But you're still wrong because explosions can certainly be beautiful. So can the sparkling glass of a smashed cup or the random swirls of a spilled paint tray.
Zaphod4246-50, M
Because the invisible flying spaghetti monster in the sky that no one's ever seen said so 馃槀
SW-User
What difference does it make?
Will it make a difference in what you believe?
@SW-User

Thanks! Although this is definitely not yet a debate. Discussion at best lol
Bushranger70-79, M
@Pikachu Do you think we might get any valid responses? Unfortunately, there does not appear to be many reasonable arguments put forward.
@Bushranger

not so far lol
Groofydorkgerdo56-60, M
It s not evidnet it's faith
Show me you're number one peice of evidence it was evolved
@Groofydorkgerdo

[quote]It s not evidnet it's faith [/quote]

Agreed.

Sure! I'll give you my current favourite example of evidence for evolution and common descent.

Retroviruses are viruses that reproduce by inserting their genetic information into host cells which then replicate.
When these viruses infect reproductive cells, their genetic information is passed on to the progeny of the host. This results in the presence of retroviral rna in our human genetic code. Junk dna from a foreign organism.
The interesting thing is that we鈥檝e been able to map the genome of other animals. For instance, the chimpanzee. When we look at the chimp鈥檚 dna we find, to an astonishing degree, the same retroviral genetics in the same places that we find them in human dna.
So why is there useless, inactive junk genetic information in our genome that corresponds so well to that of chimps? Evolution tells us that it is because of common decent. That humans and chimpanzees evolved from a common ancestor that also had that retroviral rna in those places.
If you espouse a creation model, you must then explain why a creator might include useless, garbage genetic information in the same places in different species.
Dan19331-35, M
@Dan193

ghosts aren't real. I tried to talk to them with the ouija board and they didn't answer. That's how i know
Dan19331-35, M
yeah.. ok
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4meAndyouF
There he goes again. 馃ぃ

 
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