Don't You Know It's Not About Religion? [Spirituality & Religion]

@hippyjoe1955
Catholic means the “universal Christian church”.

@okaybut
Take what you want from this thread.
Your statement was no different and maybe a bit more overwhelming in its scope. You either see Christ or you don’t and the lack of the Holy Spirit will hinder your efforts.

@Aliveshock I agree.

@suzie1960 There's a school of thought that maintains, since we are supposedly saved by faith alone, then apologetics - the attempt to prove God's existence through logic - is blasphemous.

@LeopoldBloom @suzie1960 I already shown you enough evidence to last a life time. Just because you don't receive it, doesn't mean that it's not evidence. it just means that you both don't receive it. As for be saved by faith in Christ, faith without works is dead. You can have faith that you'll saved through Jesus Christ, but, if you don't take the steps to receive Him as Lord and Savior, your faith is dead. As for faith, you both a measure amount of faith every day whether you think so or not. About me digging a hole too deep: is that wishful thinking or fear that it is you that digging the whole too deep? Have a great night you two. It's always a pleasure talking with you.

@GodSpeed63 You haven't produced any real evidence at all. If you had you could produce a link to it but, despite being asked countless times, you are unable to. The only so-called "evidence" you have presented (the fact of our existence) I successfully refuted by showing how it is not evidence of a supernatural creator. Even if it were, the creator could be The Flying Spaghetti Monster or any one of the other few thousand gods and goddesses.

@GodSpeed63 You clearly don't understand that words have specific meanings external to you. Their chief purpose is to be arranged into coherent statements, though they can be abused into self-evident fallacy.

Self evident?

@MissPriscillaPrim However you want to call it, it's still the truth and not a mince of words.

@LeopoldBloom On the other hand, at the beginning of the universe (however that may have occurred), if there had been the slightest change in parameters then the universe would not be the same. Therefore, it could be argued that it has all arisen by chance ☺

@Bushranger That's a common assumption, that paramenters like the speed of light or the gravitational constant are just random values that happened to occur in our universe. However I believe that the fundamental qualities of matter and energy dictate these constants and that they could not be different from what they are. This has not been proven but R. Buckminster Fuller provides a very thorough discussion of this in "Synergetics."

@LeopoldBloom It's an in depth discussion that may warrant it's own thread.

@GodSpeed63 Oh, so Satan is doing a bait-and-switch just to get people through the door. Yeah, I think the reviews on yelp give me a bit of pause. They haven't got A/C apparently, gets a bit hot.

Oh, that's good about Heaven - that I'll become the man God created me to be. I was wondering if it was ok to take it up the butt so i'm glad it is. After all, there's no point in my wearing bras and panties if i'm not going to be a good sissy now and then. I quite like sucking cock.

Was interested maybe in Valhalla too but it looks like a biker bar and not too many women. Bit of a roughhouse crowd.

If you want to become the man God created you to be, the receive Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and follow Him wherever He leads. Simple but hard at the same time. He's worth it though.

@GodSpeed63 oh that's the deal, is it? a sort of droit de seigneur? You have to be taken by jesus first before you can do anyone else. well, maybe although i'm not generally a fan of beards and i would hope his hygiene is good. The harpists have to go though. Mark E Smith died this year. Is he there, do you know? he should be in charge of music up there. If he is there, I guarantee the harpists have been fired.

@MissPriscillaPrim I don't care if they proselytize, as long as they don't try to change the law and force the rules of their religion onto the rest of us.

@LeopoldBloom This is precisely what the Apostolic branch of Christians have explicitly stated they wish to do. We are under a far graver threat from those perverted fanatics than from any pseudo-Islamic ones.

@MissPriscillaPrim Dominionism is very dangerous, and the ideas of some of its leaders, like R.J. Rushdoony, have permeated conservatism even if people don't know the source or their ultimate objective. A crazy person screaming in your living room is a greater threat than a crazy person screaming on the other side of town.

@hippyjoe1955 That's where you betray your misunderstanding. We don't have "faith" in science the way you have faith in God. We have [b]trust[/b] in scientists and the scientific method, not the same thing.

Also, a scientific theory is a model that explains natural observations. If new observations contradict the model, it can be revised or discarded, as has happened many times. Religious dogma on the other hand only changes through schism.

No scientific theory has ever been proven wrong later by religion.

@Bushranger Don't we both wish. The faith in science I am talking about is extreme fundamentalist. They can never be prove wrong.

@hippyjoe1955 A straw man that doesn't actually exist. But if the only way you can justify your religious faith is by claiming that "faith in science is exactly the same," then knock yourself out.

Who said anything about me being a robot? Don't you understand that God doesn't want robots, that He wants free thinking human beings? This is why we have the freedom to choose what we wish but we're responsible to choose between truth and lie.

@GodSpeed63 On this point, and on very few others, Sir, we are in complete agreement. Fundamentally we all are free to choose... and the natural healthiest choices are the most attractive.

That is not at all to suggest the most attractive choices are always the most naturally healthy.

Humans are half-angel half-devil perched on a ball of Goodness and falling off and remounting (off & on often enough :) I am a visionary poet-clown. Hello. How are you?

Just as you and every other good principled Human, I stand and live by convictions that I will not suffer being called deadly or mistaken.

I believe the Gospel is one of the most profound metaphoric lessons in human history.

I am convinced that,
because no human has ever lived in another Human's mind,
nor carried the burdens of his or her past,
there is nothing but personal arrogance and damnable pride
in quickly drawing such profound conclusions
about any Human as this:
"You are ignorant and damned to ignore
the Supreme Truth I am proclaiming!
...simply because they might described
with many different Names, including yours,
which I know and love well:

"God the Father Son and Holy Spirit
and Lord Jesus Christ who died and was resurrected
to save us from eternal death."

All I know about you, YOU, the living Human you are,
most obviously and simply,
are these words you hide behind.
Forgive me, but I can't trust that is all you are.
I hope you know more about Good than that verbal formula,
those magic words in the old magic book you carry.

Your book, Sir.
Not The One Book No Human May Ignore on Peril of Death.

I am Human, and like all we Humans
we may know Truth by many different names.

@SW-User Or, it would drive the person away from religion.

No candy bar again. What was it like living with your family?

@GodSpeed63 Don't prevaricate, let's see your evidence. What's the delay, surely it's not that difficult.

@suzie1960 You'll have a long wait, he doesn't have any. :)