@bijouxbroussard [quote]chauvinism:Prejudiced belief in the superiority of one's own gender, group, or kind. Or in this case, music. Does that clarify my meaning ?[/quote]
It clarifies your meaning but not its relevance here. Superiority is a concept you are introducing. I don't think it's been been claimed before on this thread; certainly not by me.

@Really You don’t think so ? You don’t see where dismissing someone else’s music as not even music because it conform to your standards is arrogance ? And I can’t claim to know your motives (which is why I conceded [quote] Whether you mean it to or not,[/quote]), but of course on some level there’s an element of superiority. To be classified as music (art, dance, poetry, etc.) it has to fit within the parameters that you and your ilk use to define those things. Otherwise, it’s not.

@bijouxbroussard Whatever you say....😢

@MorbidCynic

@SW-User Wow.

@SW-User I agree with you on all you listed.

@TryingtoLava I shook hands with KRS and he autographed my flier.swoon!

@dubkebab i met Nas :) he autographed my shirt!

@dubkebab Which of Elvis performances are you talking about? And why do you see liking any of his music (I don't think he 'rapped?) become a matter of right & wrong?

@Really Alpenhorns are amazing! -one of my most prized 45's is this gem by Yodellin' Slim Clark-
[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFlkRyGqmLQ]
so there's often common ground in this round world of ours...

@bijouxbroussard Truth,Bijoux, school 'em!
And we can follow that lineage deeper into work songs,counting the dozens and inevitably back to African griots...

@bijouxbroussard We can debate it's origins (there was in a documentary even a rapper known from the 80s, perhaps he was even part of The Sugarhill Gang who said rap will always be the bastard son of disco) but in practice there's a lot of verbal abuse. And you can find them from famous groups: Wutang, Digital Underground (Tupac's crew, who helped him shoot to stardom), Luniz (yeah they got 5 on it, they major foul mouths too), Too Short, NWA, Beastie Boys and so on, to the break of dawn. Yeah there's some who have tried to keep it clean. Like MC Hammer, but what did the other rappers do? call him a sell out. Even with the Sugarhill Gang calling Superman a fairy was crass.

Hamilton probably gave it it's biggest PR boost. It is now become part of a famous musical. I like Lin-Manuel Miranda by the way. He's a pretty cool guy.

@DestroyerOfIdeologies That just means [b]he[/b] didn’t know about groups like The Last Poets, whose work is acknowledged as a precursor to a lot of political rap. And I’m not really debating, I was there and remember its evolution into “modern” times.
Sadly, there are also contemporary black artists who don’t acknowledge all the other genres that came from our community. They think it all began with rap. That is [b]their[/b] ignorance, unfortunately.

@Zonuss I can understand rebellion against some urban environments. Not living in one I have no need to rebel. I don't consider raucus, angry, largely unintelligible scattershot ranting o be 'music'. You're welcome to it but I find most of it unlisten-able.

Do you believe rap is doing anything to improve the environments you it's supposedly rebelling against?