Is Trump conrolled by the fossil fuel lobby?

@hippyjoe1955 and you got that how? Don't bother to reply, whatever you say has the same credibility as your hero Watts and your orange overlord ie zero!

@room101 Pretty obvious. You have no scientific background or you would be leaping at the chance to prove me wrong. Instead you are arguing about credentials like a silly person.

@hippyjoe1955 you put forward Watts as an expert. I refute his credentials and his so-called expertise. That has been the length and breadth of my discussion of credentials.

Try again chump.

@TexChik You use insults when you run out of facts and arguments, which is regularly. 😂

@Burnley123 Taking a piss again brit?

@MasterLee Taking [i]the [/i]piss.

uh huh@lov2smile

@lov2smile [quote]Despite NASA scientists finding global temperatures have only increased 1.4 degrees Fahrenheit since 1880[/quote]

Hardly a minor thing. The climate is delicate. For example the Great Barrier Reef is in serious trouble.

[quote]Since those fuels drive economic prosperity both here and in desperately poor countries, the leftists who like to think they’re compassionate “progressives” are really in the most basic sense anti-progress and anti-poor people.[/quote]

The cost of renewable energy continues to go down and fossil fuels have massive subsidies. A climate catastrophe is no good for anyone's prosperity, not least the Third World which would be hit in more places.

I really don't get the idea that leftists care about climate change just to be haters and controllers or whatever. The climate change deniers are directly backed by fossil fuel money. Clear vested interest at work.

@lov2smile Sorry but you're wrong on pretty much every point.

Nobody is trying to control the climate. That would be patently absurd.

Nobody is trying to eradicate the use of fossil fuels. We are attempting to reduce their use for two reasons. First, the damage caused to our environment. Second, their supply is not limitless.

Carbon dioxide is one of the trace gases in our atmosphere and, like everything else, it's important. However, we know that the increases in carbon dioxide levels have a direct relationship with temperature increases. Carbon dioxide levels have increased because of the burning of fossil fuels and, perhaps more significantly, deforestation. These are things that we can do something about.

The poorer countries in the world are the ones who are suffering the most. Climate change is affecting their crops, their rainfall, their everything. It's the developed nations who continue to benefit from the use of fossil fuels. And it's often only the very rich who see the full extent of that benefit.

Seeing as you like to quote NASA, perhaps the following link would be of interest.

https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

The fact is, our planets average temperatures are going up year on year.

@TexChik You are uniquely lacking in manners, self-awareness and intellect. 😘

@Burnley123 coming from you ..,that's a compliment and deserving of honors ! Now go find a safe space and cry snowflake.

@TexChik LMFAO! 😂

@Burnley123 I can't see what TexChik is saying because she blocked me ages ago. She's a trumpette loon so I have no doubt that what she's saying is total bollocks 🤣🤣🤣

@room101 LOL. Hearting because of educated guess. You are not wrong.

@TexChik Link please

@IndianPrincess The Tories are influenced by lobbyists, as are the rest of the Europeans. Its worse in America though and much worse under Trump. He has appointed a cabinet of industry billionaires like Tillerson.

@Picklebobble2 I agree with the EU hypocrisy on trade, not least because the single currency is managed heavily in German interests. On climate change they have him bang to rights though.

@Burnley123 Yes. Even more proof (if it were needed !) that with so many decisions vital to the survival and advancement of the peoples of the planet, the two worst options for leading the worlds largest industrialized nation fought the last election.
Amazing to think they can create such wonders yet be so simplistically destructive at the same time.

@sogdianrock @sogdianrock Some of it is quite simple and blatant though. Read the Monbiot article above. They want us to be confused and give up looking.

hi Burnley123
the quote was from the article . It was what I took from it as summing it up for me. I question the capacity of electors to penetrate such a fog of deception. Hence it is frightening. Politics puts people off and that is Trump's main tactic I think.
Good question btw.
Best wishes
:)

@sogdianrock So it is lol. Thanks

@SW-User Since we know you can't think you sound like the blind man saying 'lets see here'.

@hippyjoe1955 I would say prove me wrong...but....you know why..

@Burnley123 thank you for that lol.

It's an odd dichotomy that many people like me have to deal with. On the one hand, we fully support the secularism of democracy. On the other hand, we believe that faith has a place in all factors that affect the well being of our species and our planet.

@room101 For me that is what Christian values should be about. That people can use Christian values as a reason for voting for Donald Trump is a mystifying contradiction on about a hundred different levels.

@Burnley123 that people can use ANY value system to vote for Trump is beyond mystifying. It's ludicrous in the extreme.

@lorne13 Not really. I do believe that Russia was involved in the hacking. We have yet to see evidence but that Trump has been briefed about Russian involvement and forced to admit so, + the Comey sacking indicate its more than likely.

Russia did want Trump to win because he would be more friendly than Hillary. I don't believe Putin has direct control over Trump though. Its hard to see how and America is a much more powerful country.

@Burnley123 the US likes to brag about being powerful but I believe their economy is weak and clearly based on borrowed money

@lorne13 The economy is propped up by borrowed money and the country is arguably in decline. Russia has it ten times worse though.

@SW-User No he's controlled by the fossil fuel lobby. Its what I said, with evidence.

@Burnley123 The fossil fuel industry (Russia has been a world leader in oil production. World Almanac) has been resisting solar, wind and tidal, alternative energy, for years. Rex Tillerson investments, Trump investments, Putin ?

(Bill Nye, CBS news interview this AM)

@theMeggyD Don't you have homework to do? 😜

@Burnley123 not back at college till September so no I don't have any homework to do

@theMeggyD figures