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Why did House Republicans vote to keep President Trump's tax returns secret ?

House Republicans voted en masse to block a resolution that would have forced Trump to turn his tax returns over to Congress on Monday night.
The measure was introduced by Rep. Bill Pascrell (D-NJ), a member of the House Ways and Means Committee. Under a 1924 law, the Ways and Means Committee is empowered to examine tax returns. The committee could then decide to release them to the full Congress, effectively making them public.
Trump has broken with decades of precedent and refused to release his tax returns, citing an ongoing audit.

1.1 million people have signed an online petition calling for the returns to be released, and 74 percent of Americans in a January poll say Trump should now release his taxes.
You do have to pity the Republicans a little. Unlike was the case with the Democrats and Bernie Sanders if it had come to it, collusion alone wouldn't theoretically have been enough to stop the Donald from getting the nomination (insufficient superdelegates). The GOP never really wanted Trump to be the nominee, but now they're stuck with his brand because the fucking ignorant loons who vote in their primaries thought the multiple bankruptcies and wives were really cool when paired with that awesome hair and that wicked spray tan and that weird thing he's got going on with the favorite daughter.

So they are riding the tiger. They're power-hungry and institutionally blind enough to think that they can maybe profit off this guy if they can just keep him from imploding, and really, that's what the Democratic establishment was banking on with Hillary Clinton (both of the candidates from the 2016 election were unbelievably corrupt and justly unpopular for it - Americans might be fucking stupid, but at least if you put shit on a plate and serve it to them, most of them won't eat it).

If Trump releases his tax returns, there's no guarantee there will be anything that anyone can get him for, although the fact that he's kept them to himself this long raises some eyebrows. Still, if you're a Republican right now, you don't really want more information on this guy coming to light. You know he's failed in numerous business ventures, that he pathologically inflates his own successes, that he has a hardon for Putin's Russia, and that for as nationalist as his policy prescriptions tend to be, the idea that he loves America for any reason other than that he happens to be a citizen and he's managed to rip off many of its other citizens is probably ludicrous. Also the daughter-wife. So you have to imagine there are likely skeletons buried throughout the backyard.

If you were in their place, with their motives and estimates, would you do anything to help out the public? After all, blocking this isn't a crime. It might look bad if he does implode later, but it probably won't cost you your seat. On the other hand, if you do help out the public and it doesn't immediately bring the president down, you'll have turned your entire party against you.

Not saying any of this is good, just saying, to understand it you have to see it from the perspective of a Republican hack.
Yep, it's not hypocrisy when wingnuts do it.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
@IvanKaramazov:

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Sorry guys. Y'all have fun. While CNN uncovers the fact that Jeff Sessions met twice with the Russians and lied about it to the Senate committee, Hannity is calling liberals names because they called out Trump for pArading a widow on national TV while the sob deliberately made her sob for the audience. It was disgusting to watch while it happened, but I see now why Trump needed to go there. It gives the ammunition for Goebbels, excuse me, Hannity, to deflect attention from the truth.

Sorry, guys but I'm no longer willing to waste my time with people arguing about Trump and his crew of wanabee Nazis. Half of them are neo Nazis and the other half are trying to avoid being nailed for it.

Fox, of course along with conspiracy sites, Infowars and others will just say it's a mainstream media conspiracy, but .... Sorry ... Anyone who watches Fox and believes anything that station says is a bleeping idiot.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
Predictably the usual people defend Trump at all costs in all circumstances. They ask why he should release them. Why?

1) Its precedent going back many years.
2) It shows responsibility in personal affairs, which is particularly important if you are running a country. (Conservatives are usually pretty hot on this being important).
3) It shows transaparancy.
4) Trump would never have become President if it wasn't for the brag of being a successful businessman. It was central to his campaign.

In addition, [b][i]why not?[/i][/b] If there is a good reason why Trump has not released his returns then I have yet to see one. It follows that there is probably a bad reason...

House Republicans surely know this is dodgy but they want to use Trump for their own ends (abolishing Obamacare, cutting medicare, low corporate tax). Therefore they are happy to use any use any means to protect Trump, and by extension themselves, from any reputation damage.
Ynotisay · M
I think they recognize the power of distraction that Trump brings to the table.
Oh...they're also hypocritical pieces of shit more concerned with their own power, and the financial success of their contributors, than they are about walking the walk when it comes to all the shit they toss out there to make people vote for them.
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Ynotisay · M
@LvChris: I don't see his posts. Part of my personal commitment to "draining the swamp."
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
@Ynotisay: ha ha ! :)
MasterLee · 56-60, M
Because it isn't required. Now obama should have had to show his real birth certificate though.
@MasterLee: Nah, just scratching my head. Trump does sound like a Democrat at times, and rarely sounds like a classic conservative. That would scare me less, really, in a president. He really reminds me more of Huey P Long and Adolph Hitler mixed together with a shot of Morton Downey.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@Misty71: Yes he would because of fear. So was obama more like mao or stalin to you?
@MasterLee: Both of those guys were far more effective than Obama.
Xuan12 · 31-35, M
Couple years ago Trump Jr. did say that their business interests are disproportionately heavy in Russian investors and interests.
Ynotisay · M
@pezzza: A couple of days ago Trump also said he hadn't "called Russia in ten years." Guess he forget when he went there to hold the Miss Universe pageant in 2013. Of course, he also spoke to Putin in late January so...
Good thing "Russia is fake" though, huh?
Xuan12 · 31-35, M
@Ynotisay: He tries to gaslight everyone in the nation and some people love it.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@Xuan12: Successful strategy with obama. He gaslighted our whole economy.
room101 · 51-55, M
I got a letter from HMRC (aka the IRS to our friends across the pond) two months ago reminding me that I didn’t file my tax return last year. A month ago, they sent me another reminder which was a tad more strongly worded. Today, I got yet another letter. This one had FINAL DEMAND printed across the top in big red letters. It threatened all kinds of penalties if I didn’t reply within seven days.

So I telephoned them. I got this rather stern lady on the phone who again warned me of penalties and so on and so forth. I asked her why I needed to send in a tax return when nobody can understand them anyway. I also told her that there was little to be gleaned from tax returns.

She told me that a tax inspector would be coming to my place of business tomorrow and that if I didn’t co-operate, I would face legal charges that could result in a custodial sentence.

What should I do?
room101 · 51-55, M
@Misty71: erm.............this was my attempt at sarcasm vis-a-vis what some people have said in this discussion re the Great Orange One and his tax returns.

i don't earn enough to have to file tax returns..........that's me taking the piss btw
@room101: yeah. I just read your second post. Cute.
room101 · 51-55, M
@Misty71: lol thank you
room101 · 51-55, M
I started a new job two weeks ago. The CEO is an old friend of mine and he gave me the post. The thing is, he’s only been working for the company for six weeks and has no experience in this type of organisation. What further complicates my situation is that all of the other directors and executives have all been there quite a long time and are a little concerned that that the company is run properly and correctly by people who actually know what they are doing.

And so, in order to show these other directors and executives that I was the right man for the job, I had to attend an interview before my appointment was fully confirmed.

During this interview, I was asked a number of times if I had any connections with, any relationships with and any dealings with, our competitors. I answered in the negative every time I was asked one of these questions.

The problem is, I actually have had relationships, connections and dealings with our competitors and, somebody has now found out.

What should I do?
Right?! Since we're all so cozy and unified now, why doesn't he just go ahead and show us his tax returns? Do you think that's what he's building the wall with? His returns in paper mache form?
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
@RootinTootinHighFalutin: Have you seen his tweets this morning ?
@pezzza: Yep... Totally unhinged. 🙄
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
@RootinTootinHighFalutin: He's getting all this shit from alt-right conspiracy theory websites. That's where he goes to for his 'news' !
hunkalove · 61-69, M
Pretty darn obvious Trumpski cheats, ain't it?
Probably because the American public does not need any more fuel for the fire of dislike and distrust in the president.
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MasterLee · 56-60, M
@freedomrider: Good luck on that
@MasterLee: Good point. Sending a subpoena to the IRS is usually pretty futile.
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RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
@lacsar: Apparently there are only two people in the entire world who would believe that , Trump and you.
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curiosi · 61-69, F
Who cares??? So what it's tax returns, not like Obama who sealed all his IMPORTANT records.
Ynotisay · M
What important records would those be?
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
@lacsar: "Any negative polls are fake news."
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 6, 2017
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jackjjackson · 61-69, M
It would be easy to find a talking head to eviscerate the tax returns of anyone earning more than minimum wage. Where does that get anyone?
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
@Misty71: that's what you said not what I said.
@Jackjjacksonjr: yeah, guess I couldnt resist getting snarky with Bluto. Nice avatar by the way
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
@Misty71: Hahahaha. Tyvm
Because the election is over, and the republic is no more. Besides, the only people who would tell us what's on them would be fake media anyway.
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
And by fake media , you mean who exactly ?
Whomever would report something unflattering about Caesar, obviously.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
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MasterLee · 56-60, M
@LvChris: In contrast to yours
flossy · 41-45, F
@MasterLee: Because things like this keeping popping up !

> Donald Trump Jr., told the global trade publication eTurboNews that Russians were key investors in the Trump Organization’s assets. "And in terms of high-end product influx into the US, Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets; say in Dubai, and certainly with our project in SoHo and anywhere in New York,” Trump Jr. said in the interview. “We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia. There's indeed a lot of money coming for new-builds and resale reflecting a trend in the Russian economy and, of course, the weak dollar versus the ruble."

> Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign manager, has consulted extensively for pro-Russian former Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych. He played a key role in orchestrating Yanukovych’s winning election campaign in 2010.

> Trump’s Russian investors came through the Bayrock Group which was “a company run by Soviet immigrants, and according to a lawsuit filed, financed by Russian and Kazakhstan money.” Bayrock, whose operations were headed by a man accused in a lawsuit of using “mob-like tactics to achieve his goals,” helped develop huge Trump projects in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, Phoenix, Arizona, and New York.filed, financed by Russian and Kazakhstan money.” Bayrock, whose operations were headed by a man accused in a lawsuit of using “mob-like tactics to achieve his goals,” helped develop huge Trump projects in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, Phoenix, Arizona, and New York.

But, if he has nothing to hide, why not show them?

Tax reports show all businesses..

 
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