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RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
lily88mercy · 26-30, F
@luckranger71: I'm totally with ya there, lucky. In an ironic way the shambles of the Trump Administration could have a way of re-vitalizing our political system....unifying people dedicated to real change sparking a way to intelligent reform....that upends the good 'ol boy and gal lobby and PAC system of government....the very system that pinned Obama down...and the very system that Hillary loved to pander to.
luckranger71 · 51-55, M
CallmeHopelessNotRomantic · 46-50, F
Ynotisay · M
Without question - the Intelligence Services. They are professionals committed to finding the truth to the best of their ability. They're true patriots who have committed themselves to jobs that protect America.
I trust NOTHING Donald Trump says. And that's not because of ideology. That's because he hasn't earned anything close to my trust.
I trust NOTHING Donald Trump says. And that's not because of ideology. That's because he hasn't earned anything close to my trust.
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
As a binary choice, this is asking who to believe between:
1) The people who said that Saddam had WMD, that the NSA didn't spy on people unconstitutionally and that the USA has always been really nice to elected Latin American Governments.
2) Someone who said that Muslim gangs control parts of London, that Trump University was not a shyster operation and that Mexico was deliberately sending rapists over the American border.
In answer to the question; I trust neither.
I do think that Russia was [i]probably [/i]involved in the DNC hacking. They had every reason to what do so and there is circumstantial evidence. I would need to hard proof though to believe it fully. Some of the American right actually have a point on this one when they are skeptical of what intelligence agencies tell them. Unless this is conclusively proven in public, it will remain a partisan issue.
1) The people who said that Saddam had WMD, that the NSA didn't spy on people unconstitutionally and that the USA has always been really nice to elected Latin American Governments.
2) Someone who said that Muslim gangs control parts of London, that Trump University was not a shyster operation and that Mexico was deliberately sending rapists over the American border.
In answer to the question; I trust neither.
I do think that Russia was [i]probably [/i]involved in the DNC hacking. They had every reason to what do so and there is circumstantial evidence. I would need to hard proof though to believe it fully. Some of the American right actually have a point on this one when they are skeptical of what intelligence agencies tell them. Unless this is conclusively proven in public, it will remain a partisan issue.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
I think we have to agree to disagree on this. Btw I have the same low opinion of gchq, mi5 and mi6, which are our versions. They do some pretty shit stuff.
Some things should be kept secret but the Russian thing is a big decision which deserves Democratic accountability. All the best.
Some things should be kept secret but the Russian thing is a big decision which deserves Democratic accountability. All the best.
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
@Burnley123: As far as WMD goes. The US intelligence agencies (as well as the British) were being fed bogus information by very dodgy characters in Iraq who had close connections to the neocons. The CIA were actually highly sceptical of the claims , but because it fitted their narrative and Rumsfeld was insistent it came to be accepted as fact.
Trump's claims therefore are , not for the first time , spurious.
Trump's claims therefore are , not for the first time , spurious.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@pezzza: I agree but all the more reason to make information public.
lily88mercy · 26-30, F
RootinTootinHighFalutin · 36-40, F
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
Ynotisay · M
@Jackjjacksonjr: Back under your rock boy.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
@Ynotisay: sorry your wife likes me just where I am doing what I'm doing 😂
You insist on insanity. That is your choice. You have always been a good friend and I will never forge that,but your insistence on staying completely stir craved mad, is yours. Your way of seeing things is complete and utter madness from my perspective so we will work from that point I guess.
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
@pezzza: now now boys. The democrats are in shambles and it has to be recognized that the public has rejected progressive at the federal state and local level. It's time to recognize reality and all row our oars in the same direction.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
This is a puzzler. The intelligence professional openly admit they aren't disclosing all the information. I've not seen anywhere where Asante had been wrong on anything. If so please let me know. I'm keeping an open. Mind and seeing how 2017 plays out. The French and German elections will be instructive.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
@pezzza: how so?
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
@Jackjjacksonjr: Because she was Secretary of State and , to his mind , responsible for , and the driving force behind the Swedish prosecution against him.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
@pezzza: didnt know it was a personal feud. Thanks for the info 😀
Cierzo · M
The Intelligence Services are those nice guys called CIA, NSA and the like, right? Trump by a landslide.
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
ABQ1952NM · 70-79, M
@Cierzo: Trump does not deserve anything. He is a crook, filing several bankruptcies, he lies, he hasn't paid income taxes for 18 years because he thinks he is better then anyone else, he LOVES Putin, and when Russia screws us over, you would never think of blaming Trump, you would blame Obama instead.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
@Burnley123: I've not seen an instance where Assange has been inaccurate have you?
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
@Jackjjacksonjr: It's not a question of accuracy , it's a question of motive.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
@pezza you think we are getting the whole story anywhere ??
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
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jackjjackson · 61-69, M
@pezza before publicly paid intelligence people got politicized and in bed with CNN et al I would have said them for sure but they are not looking so intelligent currently.
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
@pezzza: with all due respect that is innuendo and opinion. Not to mention finger pointing. Starting with you all of us should be focused on making all of America better. Is that something you will commit to going ts my plan and.committment.
Trump
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
@questionWeaver: I think we might have crossed wires. I was just re-iterating my remark that this question has nothing to do with Hillary Clinton. Even though I might agree your analysis for her losing the election and I also have no idea (nor does anyone really) whether the hacking may have swung the election (although it certainly couldn't have helped her) , what is as clear as day is that Russia was involved and to deny that in spite of what your own intelligence services , and your own party , is telling you is frankly absurd.
Thank you Pezzza! ... appreciate the clarification
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I am not saying that intelligence has not found evidence of an effort to hack the DNC folks.
I do not think anybody is disputing that.
But, regardless of how much effort the hackers put into it. ... it was for nought.
They surfaced emails the writers should be ashamed of writing.
But, there was no damage ... just effort.
It is like the other team stealing the catchers signals ... but the pitcher still striking the hitter out ... a meaningless theft.
[sep]
I am not saying that intelligence has not found evidence of an effort to hack the DNC folks.
I do not think anybody is disputing that.
But, regardless of how much effort the hackers put into it. ... it was for nought.
They surfaced emails the writers should be ashamed of writing.
But, there was no damage ... just effort.
It is like the other team stealing the catchers signals ... but the pitcher still striking the hitter out ... a meaningless theft.
ABQ1952NM · 70-79, M
@pezzza: Trump and Putin are buddies, so I think that Russia could have had something to do with the election. Trump will do anything to be President. He's a billionaire because of all of the bankruptcies he's filed, which saved him tons of money. He's a crook for sure.
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sighmeupforthat · 46-50, M
uh, oh.. oh god no... (vomits)
GohantheThird · M
Intelligence Services.
Niether.