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The Trump Coronavirus Death Toll Passes 600,000 Dead Americans

The death toll for the virus Trump denied, said was going away, and wasn't a problem at all is approaching the total dead in the Spanish Flu Pandemic of 1918-1919, and the total Civil War dead. And though cases and deaths are decreasing in many (mostly blue) states, in states with higher numbers of Trump Cultists and other deniers and anti-vaxxers, cases are increasing, even as more people are getting vaccinated. They may push the death toll still higher as their denial of reality continues.
hunkalove · 61-69, M
Trump is responsible for more American deaths than WWII. And yet 74,000,000 voters wanted him to have four more years to finish destroying what little is left of this pitiful broken country.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@hunkalove Amazing, isn't it? And yet the deniers continue to sicken and die from the virus as people based in reality become vaccinated and protected. The case load in many areas of the country is essentially comprised solely of the unvaccinated.
Carla · 61-69, F
But look over here...
They've found 200,000 ballots destroyed. All for trump. They must've finally sorted the chicken shit.
And look over here...the left wants you to rat out your trumpist neighbors. How hitleresque.
And, you know....antifa, blm and it's pride month. Fuckin' queers...

You would think that the party would urge the cult to get vaccinated. I know it doesnt jive with the idea that it's gonna sterilize/magnetized/dehumanize us all, but they absolutely need their numbers to not decrease.
“You have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.” When the United States had surpassed 1 million confirmed coronavirus cases. Trump insisted he had been right all along. When the US had surpassed 600,000 dead, it was all Fauci's fault.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@Pitchblue As usual, Trump blames anyone and everyone other than himself.
Coldplay · 56-60, M
How many deaths from Cuomo sending cases to nursing homes? Asking for a friend.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@Coldplay Not good sarcasm.
Coldplay · 56-60, M
@windinhishair I save my best for challenges.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@Coldplay Hopefully it is far better than what you've lamely shown so far.
Oster1 · M
It’s shameful that you leave out, so many valid variables. Some of us know better and reject this disinformation. Who are you trying to fool?
Oster1 · M
@windinhishair Not a merger but a real fulfillment of partnership!
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@Oster1 Yesterday you guaranteed it and said it was inevitable. Which is it?
Oster1 · M
@windinhishair Both! It will happen. It’s the only way for world peace.
Funtoy4u · 61-69, M
I think you need to check your facts. 6 of the top 7 states in deaths/1M population are all blue states. In fact 11 of the top 15 states in Deaths/1M Pop are blue states. And before you accuse me of being a Trumpist, I am not. Never liked him.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@windinhishair It does.. However, a pragmatist with little human empathy might take a second look and ask is this is a bad thing? Many of these same people would have regarded HIV as the lords vengeance on Homo$exuals.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@whowasthatmaskedman I can't condone people succumbing to Darwinian removal for their politics. I find it profoundly sad that some are dying with last words such as "This can't be happening! It is a hoax!"
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@windinhishair I agree. As if the loss of life and human dignity isnt enough. (Although America does seem to be doing "Human Dignity Lite" recently) The financial disasters repeated hundreds of thousands of times over in the US health system and the loss of earnings, jobs and even breadwinners in that fragile economy has yet to be realised. This is a world changing event. And if Americans think this is going to be business as usual afterward, they are in for some cruel lessons.
Now, now, Trump didn't shoot 600,000 people and while he certainly seemed to lie about the threat, manipulate it to his own advantage and be an obstacle to preventing deaths, there is no direct "proof" that he [i]intentionally[/i] killed even a single American, despite bragging about how he could and get way with it.

As with the dead from the First Trump Insurrection and two impeachments proceedings, he hasn't admitted to it under oath, and all we have is circumstantial evidence regarding his intent.


The bigger problem is he never took responsibility for fighting it, or for much of anything else, and he encouraged his followers to do the same with regard to other human beings, and not just with respect to Covid.

Its tempting to resort to "truthful hyperbole" when dealing with Trump and especially with those who seem susceptible to it and see nothing wrong with it, but it's antisocial behavior and it can also turn people not in sympathy with psychopaths and sociopaths off.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@MistyCee Trump denied the virus, tried to minimize it deliberately when he was told it would be a major problem, has admitted he did so, and turned his Cult into coronavirus deniers. If that isn't culpability, I don't know what is.

We expect to have a real leader when the nation goes through difficult times, to provide support and encouragement. Trump failed miserably in that regard, and continues to fail as a leader of his party.
@windinhishair You know I agree in terms of Trump's unfitness, as well as his moral culpability.

I just think 600k lives is a drop in the bucket in terms of his potential impact on not just the country but the planet.


I actually don't think I'm being hyperbolic in calling his behavior antisocial and inimical to the human race.

But part of the reason I take his sociopathy/,psychopathy so seriously is how effectively he used it on voters and what the results will be when others emulate it.

Social norms like honesty and respect for other human beings are the tools we developed to live cooperatively in groups and not kill each other when it served our immediate desires or short term needs.

Trump doesn't respect those norms and millions of people don't seem to think there's anything wrong with it and may teach their kids to follow his example, and act for and only yourself, tempered only by the potential personal consequences of you get caught and are not powerful enough to avoid the consequences.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@MistyCee Certain people have a charismatic affect on others. Rasputin, Hitler, Jim Jones, Trump, all have the ability to influence others. It is almost like a spell that overrides normal human behavior. I don't understand it, but it is clearly very dangerous, because as you note, Trump does not respect norms of human behavior. He has no moral compass. Someone posted that the first estimates of potential deaths from the virus were around 2.2 million. When I contemplate that, I realize that Trump was uninfluenced by that. It literally didn't matter if 5 people died, or 2.2 million, as long as he was not blamed.
MarkPaul · 26-30, M
This is inconvenient to, although testimony for Hidin' Insurrectionist Baby-trump's failed presidency. Perhaps, we can focus on how the election was stolen, but couldn't be proven in over 60 court cases. No... wait... perhaps we can remind everyone that the nuclear threat from North Korea was eliminated. No... wait... perhaps we can just say, "the wall." Yeah, "the wall."
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@MarkPaul Perhaps we can shorten it all to "Nobel, Nobel, Nobel!"
MarkPaul · 26-30, M
@windinhishair Here! Here! And, Man of the Year... in Michigan. Oh... and a silver bowl for a made-up award.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@MarkPaul A tiny silver bowl made for exceptionally small hands.
Funtoy4u · 61-69, M
At the start of the pandemic, the democrats predicted 2.2 million deaths in the US. So I figure that if we have only had 600,000 deaths, we saved around 1.6 million lives. Do you want to give that credit to Trump? I am NOT a Trump supporter by the way.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@Funtoy4u Yeah, it would have been worse if we did nothing at all - and it would have been better if we had strong and competent leadership at the top. Trump did a pretty shit job overall, but between the federal system and inconsistent state response we did [i]something[/i].
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@Funtoy4u At the start of the pandemic, we didn't know what was going to happen. The higher numbers were estimates based on limited information and doing nothing. Vaccines were developed and have kept the death toll down, especially where people believe in vaccination. Trump's actions didn't reduce the death toll-they increased it.
GuiltyPleasures · 56-60, M
Trump has killed almost as many as McDonalds, Miller Brewing Company, the Cartels, Phillip Morris and Joe Stalin. 🙄
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@GuiltyPleasures Stalin takes the prize for his actions in Ukraine in the 1930s.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@windinhishair The famines didn’t just happen in Ukraine, every grain producing region of the USSR saw much of the same stuff. My family had to “self-dekulakanize” and flee Siberia during those times.

Worst thing about it is that without collectivization, Soviets would have lost the war - in the grand scheme of things Stalin was right and saved us all.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@QuixoticSoul Good points, though Ukraine continues to get much of the press. It wasn't publicized at the time in the US and the famine was denied.
I know a lot of people are going to be like, "Ew, CNN!" when I post this link, but it contains an actual transcript of one of the Woodward tapes where Trump literally admits knowing how dangerous coronavirus is and playing it down, because he "doesn't want to create a panic".

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/09/politics/bob-woodward-rage-book-trump-coronavirus/index.html

Skip the article if you must, but play the embedded audio. Please, inform yourself. He knew. He lied. Half a million people died.
twiigss · M
@windinhishair never said Obama's lies didn't kill 600k people. I'm making the connection that "all politicians lie". All people lie, that's a fact. No matter the president, people would have died. How many is the unknown number.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@twiigss As I said, there is no equivalency, either in the number or extent of lies. Trump lied constantly, more than 30,500 times in office that are documented. His White House counsel begged Robert Mueller not to interview Trump because "Trump is incapable of telling the truth."

Your child hurting his sister and Ted Bundy killing 30 women are both hurting other people and wrong, but they are far from equivalent.
@twiigss Trump didn't explain why he was restricting travel to China. As such, everyone assumed it was part of his overall hate on for China. Also, his travel restriction had a lot of exceptions that didn't make any sense.

As regards your statement that people would have died regardless, of course that's true, but the numbers would look a lot different. Maybe 100,000 people would have died instead of 600,000. The fact is, Trump intentionally created a culture of people who mistrust the medical expertise of the doctors in this country.
DeluxedEdition · 26-30, F
that was the supposed number like last December.............
Adaydreambeliever · 56-60, F
@DeluxedEdition [quote]600,000 people die yearly from malaria[/quote] - what, in America?? Hmm thought not! So this was one of those pseudo-grenades that certain kinds throw around in an attempt to distract and deflect from the facts and truth then was it?

PS, "Now approximately 1,500 malaria cases and five deaths are reported in the United States annually, mostly in returned travelers."
CDC and Malaria in the United States.https://www.cdc.gov › cdc_malaria_domestic_unit
OggggO · 36-40, M
@DeluxedEdition I'm guessing you don't have the faintest clue how much is done to stop malaria.
jim44444 · 70-79, M
@Adaydreambeliever Pleassssse - you are using verifiable facts to refute a psychotic rant. How impolite of you! 😂😂😂
Adaydreambeliever · 56-60, F
Yes, all true but you know you can't tell 'them' that - they don't listen to reason.
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windinhishair · 61-69, M
@HotDad Not this way. These people should be honored and remembered for the lives they lived and those they left behind.
@HotDad Well volunteered.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@HotDad Careful with that idea. They may decide you are the next..
Quetzalcoatlus · 46-50, M
He could’ve been a hero and won by a landslide if he would’ve taken it seriously..
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@Oster1 Sorry, the Biden election win is not the subject of this post. I will delete any additional comments on the election.
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windinhishair · 61-69, M
@Oster1 You're a troll, pure and simple. I'm open to discussing the coronavirus with anyone. The election is not the subject of this post. Sorry.
Stopmakingsense · 56-60, F
The capitalism death toll will be 2.3 million.
We can't afford to shut down the non essential economy for this, so it goes.
Climate change will find us unable to stop, too!
Time for a little review of Trump's early Covid statements:
Jan 22 “And we have it totally under control... It’s going to be just fine.”
Jan 24, he tweeted “It will all work out well.”
Jan 30: “Well, we pretty much shut it down coming in from China.”
Feb 05 CDC started shipping test kits. They didn't work.
Feb 07 to Woodward: “It goes through the air. That’s always tougher than the touch. You don’t have to touch things. Right? But the air, you just breathe the air and that’s how it’s passed. And so that’s a very tricky one. That’s a very delicate one. It’s also more deadly than even your strenuous flus.”
Feb 10 “Now, the virus that we’re talking about having to do — you know, a lot of people think that goes away in April with the heat — as the heat comes in. Typically, that will go away in April. We’re in great shape though.”
Feb 19 “I think the numbers are going to get progressively better as we go along.”
Feb 23 “very much under control,”
Feb 26 “We’re going down, not up. We’re going very substantially down, not up.”
Feb 26 “...when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.”
Feb 28 concern about coronavirus “is their new hoax”
Feb 28 “we’ve lost nobody and you wonder the press is in hysteria mode.”
Feb 29 said a vaccine would be available “very quickly” and “very rapidly”
Mar 02 “We’re talking about a much smaller range” of deaths than from the flu.
Mar 04 (to Hannity) “It’s very mild.”
Mar 10 “And it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.”
Mar 13 “No. I don't take responsibility at all.”

 
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