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What are the criteria for proving that a vote was false or fraudulent?

I understand that some Republicans believe that Democrats only won the election due to fraud so my question is;
What criteria are used to prove that a vote was cast by someone who didn’t exist?
Do they use your birthday?
Your home address?
Your social security number?

And how many fraudulent votes that match the criteria for being fraudulent have been found so far?
All of the above, most likely, plus anything else that might plausibly sound good or even not so bad.

This, like so much of Trump's stuff, is all about trying to find ways to support the idea that things are the way he wants them to be.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@MistyCee Bingo! That's Trump's MO. He creates his own alternative reality, and his sycophants and Cult members desperately try to find ways to support that alternative. Many times it is ludicrous, but it doesn't dissuade them.
Roadsterrider · 56-60, M
As badly as I wish there was proof that there was enough voter fraud to push Biden over the top, I really don't think there is any way they will be able to definitively prove there was enough fraud to do that. The mail in ballots that were dumped through the ballot boxes were dropped of by people who weren't poll workers and those ballots didn't go through proper channels to get counted. The only way they could be discounted is by knowing where they came from and when. In Georgia, mail in ballots received after the polls close are not to be counted. So any ballots delivered after the polls closed in GA should have been tossed. If they weren't there by closing, and they were counted, that is a fraudulent vote. Couple that with the fact that the mail in ballots were not being delivered by the post office, that lends to the idea that there was fraud, but again, I don't think they will be able to separate those votes. This election is a mess and there are too many people on both sides that will contest the result no matter what so we should just suck it up and deal with Biden as President for the next 3 years and make sure election laws and tightened up before the 2024 go at it.
Roadsterrider · 56-60, M
@windinhishair Not sure where you are going with this except to try to make it look impossible, where did I say 100% of voters in Philly voted in that precinct? I didn't. I said his precinct covered an area with 22% of the voters in Philly. If you take 22% of 749,000, that is roughly 150,000, and if you discount the mail in ballots, it would be considerably less than that.

The elephant in the room is all the mail in ballots that came to polling places in the dead of night without going through the post office.

I think there are enough examples of voter fraud to investigate and fix the problems. In PA Biden "won" by 8500 votes, the 150K from that precinct in Philly may have determined the statewide election results in a national election.

It seems that you think it should be ignored, in the last two presidential elections both losing candidates have stated that they believed there was election fraud, one a democrat and one a republican. It is a truly bipartisan issue. There were plenty of democrats calling for investigations when Hillary Clinton lost in 2016, claims that Trump wasn't a legitimate winner, it spawned the "Not my President" rhetoric.

The article that said Demuro's area covered 22% of the vote was in the Washington Post and in a local Philly paper.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@Roadsterrider I used the percentages you provided, which are so ridiculous that it is obvious it couldn't happen. I did not use 100% of the vote cast on election day, just 22% as you alleged. If I used the total vote, it would be even more ridiculous

There were no secret ballots streaming in from everywhere. Those spurious allegations were reviewed by the courts and were laughed out because there was no evidence whatsoever of it occuring. Random people on the internet isn't evidence. Court filings without evidence, as in this situation, don't go anywhere.

And now I see you are making up more data--Biden did not win by 8500 votes. Biden won by 80,555 votes in PA. You can choose to lie about it, but that's the margin.

Democrats were not claiming voter fraud in 2016 as the Trump Cult was in 2020. They were claiming Russian influence, which was proven, but not voter fraud. You don't have to continue to make things up. Voter fraud is not a major issue and is not influencing national elections. I already gave you the voter fraud instances documented in this election. A total of three were in PA.

Please provide the link saying that 22% of all the vote in Philly was in a single precinct out of the 1703 in the City. You can't do it because it didn't happen.

In summary, everything you just said was wrong and without evidence. But keep trying. Maybe if you keep lying to yourself and others, you will start to believe it.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@Roadsterrider Here is a link to the 2020 election data for Philadelphia (and other elections going further back in time). You'll notice that in no precincts did Biden or Trump receive even 1000 votes, let along 22% (roughly 150,000) of the votes cast. You can search the data if you like. It is an excel file.

https://www.philadelphiavotes.com/en/resources-a-data/ballot-box-app.html
Outright fraud is almost 100% Republican and there are a few dozen proven cases in the country. One guy killed his wife and then voted for her. Trumpfan of course.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/man-arrested-wifes-murder-now-accused-voting-trump/story?id=77692708
Crazywaterspring · 61-69, M
@Pitchblue As usual, Republican accusations are confessions.
An official in Texas admitted that Biden would have won the state if not for voter suppression.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@LeopoldBloom Texas has more Democratic voters than Republicans, but long-term voter suppression has entrenched the Republican majorities in State and Federal offices.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
The only fraudulent vote I'm aware of was cast by a Trump Cultist in Pennsylvania, where he registered his dead mother and voted for her. I'm sure there are others--there always are--but they are a small number and nothing that would overturn the election.
Graylight · 51-55, F
There is no fraud. You can keep scooping the pond with a net and demanding that all the fish are hiding in the corner, but that's probably not the case. No evidence, no precedence, no results of numerous investigations, no fraud.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
A good indication might be more ballots than voters....
OggggO · 36-40, M
@hippyjoe1955 Burden of proof is on the claimant, as always.
[quote]In the mean time as my old high school used to say the first person who resorts to profanity loses the debate. You lose.[/quote]
Aww, sweetheart, this isn't highschool. No one fucking cares if we swear.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@OggggO I don't care what language you use either. I just know that if you have to resort to profanity you are no longer worthy of debate. You haven't got a clue and it shows in your choice of language.
OggggO · 36-40, M
@hippyjoe1955 I don't [i]have[/i] to resort to profanity, I just [i]chose[/i] to because it gets the damn point across. It's called emphasis.
If you are a Trump supporter it is all feelings.
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow They don't need proof they need an idol.
FreestyleArt · 31-35, M
Arizona will be the first to display the Results. Despite the Mainstream Media and Big Tech trying their best to hide it.
justanothername · 51-55, M
@FreestyleArt I believe the term is called clutching at straws.
In Arizona they're checking the mail in ballots for matching addresses, signs of wear on the ballot itself that it was folded and put in an envelope. Checking the marks to see if they were done by pen rather than xerox machine. And making sure the number of ballots match the number of votes.
justanothername · 51-55, M
@Callmewhatyouwill well since they obviously haven’t found any signs of voter fraud that would tell me that there isn’t any. Also I would imagine if there was that it would make huge headlines and would be reported by every news organization.
@justanothername they're still doing the audit and said from the beginning they wouldn't announce anything until they were done.

You may want to get more informed about the topics you're talking about.
justanothername · 51-55, M
@Callmewhatyouwill I call it clutching at straws. Trying to build suspense to something that doesn’t actually exist.
One way would be to show that more votes were cast in a precinct than there are registered voters. The other things you mention wouldn’t work as there is no way to match a ballot with a specific person.

 
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