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When will it be the time?

After the recent shooting in Boulder the pro-gun groups have said now is not the time to talk about reforms, so as an outsider looking in Americans when will be the time and why?

The culture around guns in America fascinates me I am curious to where you stand and why I know this is a polarising subject so please try and be respectful to others views.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
Sadly its too late for America to solve the problem. Sure the gun is part of the "freedom" of America. Lets skip right over the opening of the Second Ammendment that specifies "A Well regulated Militia" and get to the bit where American males get all insecure if they dont have any real firepower.
The fact is the damage is done. America has stepped off the cliff. There are just too many guns out there and not enough trust or will power to get them back. So either learn to fear and dress in kevlar, or move to a country where you can send your kids to school or go shopping or to the movies without wondering if you will see tomorrow.😷
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@stratosranger they would use the reverse process for gun owners .
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@stratosranger the process is this :
1. While still illegal (weed and gay sex)
Stop proscecuting for it.
2. Decriminalize with only a fine. No jail
3 . Decriminalize with no fine.
4. Allow exemptions (medical weed / civil unions.)
5. Allow Rec weed and gay marriage
@whowasthatmaskedman yes in America in our cities you wouldn’t wan’t to go walking in certIn areas and many at night. The majority of homicides in American are not mass shootings(defined as 4 or more). They are hand gun homicides and our feckless government past and present will not deal with it nor have dealt with it.
SW-User
Your government is an expert at using mass shootings to distract the public whenever they’re doing something shady
@AthrillatheHunt What does that have to do with gun violence?
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@QuixoticSoul I’d be more inclined to get on board if they presented it as an economic issue, but they don’t. They present it as strictly a race issue. “Hallmark of whiteness” is the exact term used for future time orientation. So if you’re poor and white you are capable of future planning, but if you’re a black millionaire you’re not?
Northwest · M
@SW-User [quote]Your government is an expert at using mass shootings to distract the public whenever they’re doing something shady[/quote]

Three of your likes don't block me. Do you go to Alex Jones conventions as well?
Guns are a tool, or a hobby. You can kill a person with a hammer or a car, but no one is going to outlaw those things. It's not a 'weapon' problem. It's a human problem. Fat cat stuff shirts need to keep their hands off the 2nd amendment. Healthy people need to have a weapon at hand more than ever, being as the US is becoming a sanctuary country. Crime rates will continue to rise at least another 60%.....probably higher than that.
SW-User
What security clearance do you have? Who do you know? Did you go through Quantico?
My sister did...@puck61
@puck61 I think your tinfoil is too tight.
booinflipflops2 · 41-45, M
I own several guns myself and I do believe that background checks should be ran on each individual purchasing and even every so many years should have to be checked again. The problem is, when we allow the government to regulate things and make restrictions they usually get a little carried away. If we let them ban one type of firearm, they will ban even more.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow It's rarely been the case with any other leading regulation. That's an oft-repeated argument that's never been borne out.
@Graylight It has made the NRA a pile of money over the years though. So in that respect it was a useful logical fallacy.
Graylight · 51-55, F
Graylight · 51-55, F
Now may not the be best time because after an incident such as the latest Boulder shooting because tempers flare, emotions run high and voices get raised. The time to discuss issues like this is before they happen so they never have to.

Somewhere along the line, people began to equate "Freedom" with the 2nd amendment, so much so that if one doesn't believe in the 2nd amendment, they must hate freedom. So much so that if a few thousand people have to die each year as a cost of my personal freedom, so be it. It's not so much the specific right to own a gun as it is a badge of a 'freedom-loving patriot."

[b]But this is really all just smoke and mirrors.[/b] The US would have you believe there are two main factions - those who believe in the right to bear arms and those who want to ban them. Don't feel bad for falling for that template, either; many, many Americans do it every day.

Sensible regulation will go far in helping us celebrate and protect our 2nd amendment rights while being safe and sane. Nearly every US product is regulation for safety and/or efficacy. There are regulations for shoelaces, dressers, candy, vehicles and tools. Why not firearms? Only a very, very once-powerful lobbying group could answer that for you.

So the best right answer to when we should discuss gun regulation, culture and safety is "all the time, until a sane solution is reached." Because you can call these Boulder shootings horrific, sad, violent, or counterproductive, but what we can't call them anymore is a tragedy because we're facilitating our own damage and destruction.
SW-User
[b][i][u]A well regulated Militia[/u][/i][/b], being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed

I support gun ownership. I hunted and went to a range as a younger man.

a simple review of timelines will show that the gun lobby has used the language of the second amendment to help fuel demand for weapons that the writers of the second could not imagine.

the original intent was talking about a muzzle loader...

...you bet, people kill people... guns have no will..

There has been a misrepresentation to weak minds regarding the need for such weapons.

no good has resulted from the public availability of the assault weapon.
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
I used to be very anti gun until I started talking to responsible gun owners with my family, friends, and peers at work.

All of them, every single one, is a responsible citizen who registers their guns as required by law, secures their guns and ammo, and trains their family how to safely be around and use guns.

While I am amenable to a compromise on this situation, the fact of the matter is, we just don't do that in American politics anymore.

I am quite confident this goes nowhere, but the Democrats and their confederates in the media will use such things to promote their agenda, raise money, and kick the can down the road, yet again.
@SumKindaMunster I’m not being sarcastic, I’m being realistic. There are too many guns in circulation for any restrictions to have an effect, unless your willing to declare martial law and authorize the military to enter people’s homes and confiscate them.
Good luck with that. You’ll have a full scale civil war. @LeopoldBloom
@stratosranger It's logistically impossible. But anything less than that is just window dressing. Let's say Congress manages to outlaw AR-15s. People will just switch to AK-47s or hunting rifles or handguns.
duckduckbooze · 46-50, F
That's all it is.
Every time.
Talk.
The talk fades.
Another massive shooting.
More talk.
Rinse & repeat.
turbineman40 · 80-89, M
I like my guns for protection/security and hunting.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
To the Republicans and other gun nuts, the time to address reforms will be never. At any time. For any reason. If we couldn't enact gun reforms after 6 and 7 year old children were slaughtered en masse in Connecticut, and after more the 500 people were killed or wounded at a music festival in Las Vegas, it is clear that they will never accept reforms. Any reform, no matter how small and insignificant, is seen as a step towards confiscation of all guns.

Reforms like universal background checks are supported by a vast majority of Americans. Even many Republican voters support them

This time, with Democrats in the White House, and controlling the Congress, something may get done over the objections of the Republicans.
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
texting while driving causes 1,600,000 crashes every year, which causes 390,000 injuries, it's also the leading cause of fatalities in car crashes...

perhaps we should ban [b]ALL[/b] smart phones eh? 🤔
How will they monitor our every move if we’re not using our smart toys? 😉 @wildbill83
Dlrannie · 31-35, F
No doubt there will be calls from the likes of the NRA for more guns to protect people from gunmen - America will never understand that less guns means less gun violence
@Dlrannie Taking away the rights of law abiding citizens isn't the answer. We need laws to protect the public from the mentally unstable and prevent them from owning guns. This guy was on an FBI list .. many other prior shooters were known risks to society. How about for once we address the true problem??
Before you make statements being an outsider(guessing you’re not American) you might want to look into all the aspects of the issues that are involved. It’s not a simple matter for all concerned. That might well answer your question. Remember this has been on going for a very long time.
It would be great if both sides came together but that too is easier said than done.
@stratosranger They do if it forwards their agenda, especially if the shooter was white which in the case of the Colorado shootings, it was as many liberals, progressives and radical left wing Democrats are hard pressed to know it was not a WHITE shooter but a person of color
@stratosranger This is bullshit because it pretends like these shooters are almost all white right wing incels. And when the shooter fits that description everyone pretends it is an isolated incident by one single crazy person and ignore an obvious pattern.
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SW-User
I see nothing really wrong with hunting rifles my brothers and fathers hunted in season.
Here in Michigan you have to take Hunter safety before you can get a hunting license.

I see nothing wrong with criminal/ mental health checks, however, for a gun ownership.
Not a big fan of handguns.

We do have an amendment that protects gun ownership.
@SW-User I agree. They should have some assessment test like the Minnesota Personality Inventory, for people who want to own a fire arm. I know a lot of my friends and acquaintances would disagree with me on this though....
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
There is a mass shooting every couple of days, so it’s never the time to talk about it.
I used to think you could solve this with gun control laws but the reality is this is just an excuse to pass a bill and claim you did something useful and completely avoid dealing with the cultural sickness that drives toxic gun culture and drives people to do this.
It's time again for most Americans to [i]talk[/i] about guns, but I'm not sure anything will get past the Senate

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TexChik · F
@LeopoldBloom hahaha
@soar2newhighs dared [i] not [/i] tackle?
@MistyCee yes, I stand corrected. Thank you.
A bunch of crooks don’t want it’s subjects to be armed.. imagine that..
Frankly, it will [b]never[/b] be time for the pro-gun groups to discuss reforms. They don’t want them. They believe the second Amendment gives them the unalienable right to carry guns and shoot them whenever they want to. There was a shooting in 2012 where 20 small children died, and these same pro-gun groups weren’t willing to discuss it [b]then[/b]. Many of them even preferred to dismiss the deaths as a “hoax” rather than consider putting the welfare of children over their unfettered right to “bear arms”.
Byron8by7 · M
The majority of the firearms in America are owned by a relatively small minority of the population. Not every American is a firearms enthusiast.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@Byron8by7 Most are not and the people charged with representing their wishes in DC are keenly aware of this. But the time to discuss anger issues isn't when a husband has just finished beating his wife. Serious and far-reaching complex discussion require calm, thought, judiciousness and as little muddying emotion as possible. No, the time to discuss gun regulation isn't right after a mass shooting - it's way earlier than that so the shootings can be avoided altogether. Until we do that and do it in a spirit of compromise, they might as well strap a gun to all of us, 'cause it's only going to get worse.
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
@Byron8by7 40% of the total population, or about 70-80 million people... not what I'd call "a relatively small minority of the population"...
smiler2012 · 56-60
{@thecollective ] as a mere spectator as not an american often make me think as the american people ever got out of the 19th century wild west culture of the law of the gun
JoePourMan · 61-69, M
It makes no sense to take guns away from law abiding citizens because of the actions of those who have no respect for laws.
Every day, about 28 people in the United States die in drunk-driving crashes — that's one person every 52 minutes.
Should we ban cars?
3000+ people were killed here in 1 day by airplanes.
Should we ban airplanes?
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@JoePourMan We license drivers and register cars - with many states forcing regular inspections. Because the free for all method didn’t work very well, and people aren’t quite as ideologically stupid about cars.

The [i]practical[/i] goal of gun control laws is to drive up black market prices - nobody expects criminals to obey the laws, but at a certain point the common criminal simply can’t afford a weapon at street prices.
JoePourMan · 61-69, M
@QuixoticSoul We have strict gun controls here, licensing, (must have a FOID card) and background checks here, as well as laws against felons owning or processing guns. The homicide rate in Chicago is through the roof.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@JoePourMan We need to ban certain guns, not all guns. And yes, that will have a positive impact, particularly as time goes on. We already did it once with the assault weapons ban and it worked. There is no reason it can't work again.
Jeffrey53 · 51-55, M
This always happens when they have a mass shootings people complain about gun control.
@Jeffrey53 Yes, because mass shootings [b]keep[/b] happening.
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@TexChik One of the reasons why the Democrats do this(other than the simple fact that the NRA and most gun supporters are Republicans) is because they can't lose.

If its a white guy, they can blame white supremacy.

If its not, they can blame gun culture.

Either way, it advances their agenda.
TexChik · F

 
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