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So...no national healthcare?

All we hear is folks will have to stand in line. Choices to turn away very ill patients. Whatever.
But the choices that folks are making...not wearing masks, joining gatherings with no precautions, thumbing noses at sound scientific evidence, irresponsible state leaders...these things are happening right now. And guess whose fault it is? It's your fault (you know who you are).
And, btw...this free vaccine? Pffft. Pfizer has just raised prices on other meds. Guess who pays for that?

Was uncertain if this is healthcare or political. So...in to the go to🤷‍♀️
ViciDraco · 36-40, M
The more and more full time employment with benefits is replaced with contract and gig work, the more desperately it is needed. We no longer have an economy capable of supporting private health care
Bushranger · 70-79, M
@sunsporter1649 But your taxes and unclaimed social security are helping the less fortunate. Well done, comrade.
@Bushranger social security is a liberal scam. I wouldn't take any benefits from it either when I get to the point in my life
Bushranger · 70-79, M
@Stargazer89 Which would mean you had the opportunity to set yourself up to be able to support yourself. Well done. Unfortunately, not everyone is in that position. But your contribution to the social security fund will be appreciated by those who need it.
Elessar · 26-30, M
We have public healthcare here. If you get an urgent prescription there are literally no waiting lines; and getting an "urgent" prescription isn't something extremely difficult. I had a sudden worsening with my allergies a few years ago, that resulted in widespread skin rashes, and the G.P. gave me an urgent prescription for an allergology check + IgE tests without even asking. As a plus I spent 25€ in total for both the visit and all the tests (would've been around ~500€ if I went to a private clinic for the same identical service).

Addendum: For all the rest, e.g. the yearly eyes check, you just need to book in advance. It's never been too much of an issue for me. I go in Spring, usually in May, and the same day after the visit I already book for the next year.
Elessar · 26-30, M
@Carla An annoying phenomenon here is that the same practitioners who work in the public healthcare often have their own private clinic, and they're known for artificially inflating the wait time in the former so that you'll eventually choose to go to their private facility.
Carla · 61-69, F
@Elessar system manipulation out of greed happens everywhere it seems:[
Elessar · 26-30, M
@Carla Yep.
Waiting in line for food or gas and everyone will cry communism. But waiting in line to see the doctor and then being forced to choose what body part to save due to not being able to afford better and that is Perfect Grand Miracle Patriotic America.
dancingtongue · 80-89, M
@sunsporter1649 Well, the Constitution states Congress does. But then they never envisioned that the members of Congress would be owned by corporate campaign funding and lobbyists. There are legitimate reasons for both subsidies and tax breaks to corporations to provide incentives, or help offset risks, for high risk endeavors in the best interests of the nation and its communities. But we are far beyond that, where corporations feel entitled to take no risks and not have to pay any taxes for the infrastructure they rely on to do business. And just once it would be nice to hear those of you who scream socialism and welfare cheats about anything to help people actually would scream the same on the even bigger bucks going into corporate welfare where it is not needed at all.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@dancingtongue Then why do you keep voting for the demonocrats who are doing their best to perpetuate the porkulus in those two bullschiff bills in congress right now?

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dancingtongue · 80-89, M
@sunsporter1649 Well, I don't know whose ballots you have been sifting through but clearly not mine. I don't vote a straight party ticket. Never have.
We need Medicare for all. Polls show around 50-80 percent of the American people want it, I'll post the stats if SWeeps don't believe me

Thank u Ogg and BB, Motes and Carla!
@bijouxbroussard I'm the choir here, BB
Hallelujah. Heh
SevIsPamprinYouAlways · 56-60, F
@SevIsPamprinYouAlways uber-gallows humor
maybe
Northwest · M
Everyone should listen to the Chris Christie PSA. If it wasn't for the dumfucks out there, we would not be where we are today, in isolation, and depressed.
Carla · 61-69, F
@Northwest I missed that. I imagine there are many dizzy eyes in his presence.
Yes he is a politician. Brave gop members seem to be those out of, or leaving office, which is suspect in my mind.
Northwest · M
@Carla

[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCczIIpSI1w]

https://www.app.com/story/news/local/new-jersey/2017/01/19/chris-christie-wife-another-eye-roll-trump/96791764/
Carla · 61-69, F
@Northwest ha! Thanks:)
Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
It's either a pandemic or it isn't.
It's either a threat to public health or it isn't.
It was either caused by an individual or a government decision. THERE lies the person/people who should foot the bill.

Everything else is horseshit
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@Carla Like Congressmen sleeping with chicom spies?
Carla · 61-69, F
Again @sunsporter1649, your comment is irrelevant.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@Carla LOL, of course not, demonocrats are exempt from prosecution, it's in the constitution......somewhere
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
Imagine being responsible for your own health care insurance......oh the horrors
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@ViciDraco So your proposal is to eliminate corporations and small businesses, and have the mommy government provide free everything for everybody?
ViciDraco · 36-40, M
@sunsporter1649 I don't see how that follows. Taxes raise money to fund a health system. That doesn't eliminate corporations or small businesses. If anything, it takes the need to provide health care off of their plates. People like me who earn a little more may see our taxes go up a little. Earners more to the median that currently pay health insurance premiums are likely to see smaller increases but end up having money when they no longer have the premium coming out of their check. If anything, it helps strengthen small businesses and promotes entrepreneurship because people can take the risk of trying to open a small business instead of needing to rely on corporate masters for coverage.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@ViciDraco LOL, one size fits all, eh?
Harriet03 · 41-45, F
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@Carla I'm stuck here, not going anywhere Carla. Waiting like everyone else for someone else to fix things. Meanwhile I talk and try to change unreasonable opinions. My only power.
Carla · 61-69, F
@Elevatorpitches but a power, nonetheless.
@Carla yeah well I like it

lol!💜
nedkelly · 61-69, M
We have a national healthcare in Australia, and or you can pay extra for private health care

It is not about the patients in America, it is all about the mighty DOLLAR
Carla · 61-69, F
@nedkelly corporate
health care. What could be wrong with that?🙁
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@Carla government health care, what could be wrong with that?
Carla · 61-69, F
@sunsporter1649 an option to have either public or private health care.
What could be wrong with that🤔
Piper · 61-69, F
It is a sad state of affairs, for sure. The affordable health care situation for so many in this country, is dismal. I am not feeling real optimistic that this will change, anytime soon.
I know many presidents have at least attempted some form of "universal" healthcare, over the years, and faced opposition...every time.
Americans love their sickness. Especially their mental sickness. Don't touch their healthcare.
Carla · 61-69, F
@canusernamebemyusername change is very frightening to many people.
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Peaches · F
@canusernamebemyusername What a rude thing to say!👎
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
I don’t necessarily think that [i]national[/i] healthcare is the way to go - but universal healthcare is a must.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@QuixoticSoul Only in a civilised country.😷
Carla · 61-69, F
@QuixoticSoul people just shouldn't lose their homes, go bankrupt or have to eat spam for life because of a cancer diagnosis.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@Carla No, that’s why we’ll regulated universal healthcare is a hallmark of civilized nations. It doesn’t have to be implemented as a monolithic national system. I prefer the Swiss approach myself.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
It’s almost as if there needs to be a conversation on lifestyle choices before we have that discussion on national healthcare.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
I think conversations and dialogues work best when they are two sided is all.
To discuss the responsibility of the govt without discussing then responsibility of the citizenry is a dead end.@ViciDraco
ViciDraco · 36-40, M
@AthrillatheHunt the citizenry gave up their responsibilities a good while ago, trading them for blue vs red sports logos they can cheer for without really thinking about what each is bringing to the table. That disaffection is why the government focuses more on supporting donors than constituents. Because they can get away with it.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@ViciDraco they gave up their freedoms. The govt abdicated them of their responsibilities. That was the deal.
Establishing facts is not the pursuit of science.
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Support your position, with any reference, or just stop. I’m not impressed. @SW-User
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[quote] And, btw...this free vaccine? Pffft. Pfizer has just raised prices on other meds. Guess who pays for that?[/quote]
That figures. They’re going to get their money from us some way or another ! 😞
@bijouxbroussard I will also never kill an animal on the road, so far I've been on my own side💜
Carla · 61-69, F
@bijouxbroussard of course they are.
Peaches · F
@bijouxbroussard Greedy b@sturds!😐
Confined · 56-60, M
Dr. Fouchi is a politician more then a doctor. He has not seen a single patient in over 20 years. He has an axe to grind. He paid China to do research on this virus.
Joe has been in politics for 48 years. What has he accomplished? Name one thing. Nothing nada zero zilch. He needs to be out of the picture for corona.
I dont trust any of them to do the right thing. We have had worse diseases hit the USA and beyond and never had to wear masks, or loose our jobs.
I trust none of them.
@Confined He's the administrator of a federal agency. He's not supposed to see patients. Just like the Joint Chiefs of Staff don't ride at the head of the army if we go to war.

Just like you people told us "give Trump a chance" four years ago, let's see how Biden does over the next few months. At least he won't be working against the governors the way Trump was. We'll at least have a coherent response.

What "worse diseases?" The 1918 Spanish Flu? Fuck yeah people wore masks back then.
SW-User
No national health care because it would significantly increase costs, reduce options, increase bureaucratic inefficiencies, and transfer the power of health care decisions away from the consumer... AND... this is a big one, would not cover any more people on more issues than what currently exists.

So No... no to national healthcare
Peaches · F
Greed is gonna kill us all is we can't turn it around.😔
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
Abortion is health care
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@AthrillatheHunt LOL, except to the baby, eh?
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@sunsporter1649 I respect and value your opinion. Some people consider it a baby the second the egg is fertilized. Others don’t .
nudistsueaz · 61-69, F
Harriet03 · 41-45, F
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Carla · 61-69, F
JimBeam · M
And you wonder why some might call you a fucking backwoods, white trash racist.
Carla · 61-69, F
@JimBeam no. I dont wonder about that at all.
JimBeam · M
@Carla

You should, because you are white trash.
Carla · 61-69, F
@JimBeam oh, right. Because you know me. You dont even know my race.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
And that from an advocate of the killing of babies. Sick
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SW-User
Did you not hear with biden everything is aswsome
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OggggO · 36-40, M
@RogueLoner Who says the Dems are my party? Joe is a jerk, he's merely marginally better than Trump policy wise, and also not a flaming trainwreck of narcissistic criminality.
MarineBob · 56-60, M
@OggggO he's not a criminal at all he earned all of his millions
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@MarineBob And never held a job! Miracle!

 
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