Pennslyvania SOS was wrong and lacked authority to change rules?(Edited because I worded that complete wrong originally)
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pennsylvania-court-secretary-of-state-changed-deadline
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Northwest · M
Let's decipher this.
The Supreme Court ruled that this should be looked at after the elections, and in the meanwhile, it decreed that any ballots received after Nov 3rd, as well as those that are subject to the PA Sec. of State (GOP) two day extension, must be set aside and not counted. This was further clarified by judge Alito, when Trump woke him up late on election night, and he issued another memo saying that these ballots must be set aside and not counted.
The Supremes at the time opined that while they don't have the time to rule on it, it seemed clear to them that the State's Supreme Court had no authority to extend the deadline, that's a job for the Legislature.
So, this was widely expected, and furthermore, it does NOT change anything. All it means is that these 10,000 or so ballots will not be counted. So they will not be counted for Trump and will not be counted for Biden.
So, for those keeping track, Biden, today, as more VALID ballots were counted, expanded his lead in PA to 54,592 votes, confirming what PA Republican Senator said last night: this does not change anything.
The Supreme Court ruled that this should be looked at after the elections, and in the meanwhile, it decreed that any ballots received after Nov 3rd, as well as those that are subject to the PA Sec. of State (GOP) two day extension, must be set aside and not counted. This was further clarified by judge Alito, when Trump woke him up late on election night, and he issued another memo saying that these ballots must be set aside and not counted.
The Supremes at the time opined that while they don't have the time to rule on it, it seemed clear to them that the State's Supreme Court had no authority to extend the deadline, that's a job for the Legislature.
So, this was widely expected, and furthermore, it does NOT change anything. All it means is that these 10,000 or so ballots will not be counted. So they will not be counted for Trump and will not be counted for Biden.
So, for those keeping track, Biden, today, as more VALID ballots were counted, expanded his lead in PA to 54,592 votes, confirming what PA Republican Senator said last night: this does not change anything.
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Northwest · M
@Carla The ballots have never been counted, but it's a win for Trump 🤣
[quote]the whole thing is moot in the large picture?[/quote]
Not in the large picture, or any picture :-)
This was a big issue for the GOP when Trump was leading PA and before absentee ballots, that came in by election day, were counted. When Biden took the lead, it became a moot point. This has more to do with internal GOP politics. The Sec. of State is GOP and she's fighting with the State Legislature, which is GOP. The Governor is a Democrat, but staying out of this thing. The State's GOP Senator (the other is a Democrat), said last night that this was a moot point.
[quote]the whole thing is moot in the large picture?[/quote]
Not in the large picture, or any picture :-)
This was a big issue for the GOP when Trump was leading PA and before absentee ballots, that came in by election day, were counted. When Biden took the lead, it became a moot point. This has more to do with internal GOP politics. The Sec. of State is GOP and she's fighting with the State Legislature, which is GOP. The Governor is a Democrat, but staying out of this thing. The State's GOP Senator (the other is a Democrat), said last night that this was a moot point.
Northwest · M
@OggggO For the Supreme Court ruling? Or today's court ruling?
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pennsylvania-court-secretary-of-state-changed-deadline
and this is the actual court order today:
https://static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2020/11/602-MD-2020-Order-Nov.-12.pdf
This is the SCOTUS summary:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/justice-alito-orders-pennsylvania-officials-to-separate-ballots-that-arrived-after-election-day
Bottom line, is that all these ballots have been "sequestered" and not counted. Now they are not going to be counted at all. No effect on the results.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pennsylvania-court-secretary-of-state-changed-deadline
and this is the actual court order today:
https://static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2020/11/602-MD-2020-Order-Nov.-12.pdf
This is the SCOTUS summary:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/justice-alito-orders-pennsylvania-officials-to-separate-ballots-that-arrived-after-election-day
Bottom line, is that all these ballots have been "sequestered" and not counted. Now they are not going to be counted at all. No effect on the results.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@Human1000 Apparently it is only votes cast before November 4 where the voter was told there was an issue with their ballot (e.g., non-matching signature, stray marks, etc.) AND they didn't come correct it by the end of the day November 6 AND did correct it by November 9. That's a very small number of votes, and could have involved Trump votes as well as Biden votes. But Trump has nothing left to go on, so this is the latest Hail Mary. The bottom line is that he doesn't want voters to vote unless they vote for him.
OggggO · 36-40, M
Okay, now that you have rewritten the question, I believe I can answer. According to the court, the SOS was wrong, however, it seems they weren't trying to change the rules, only clarify them, and the court has said their clarification was in error and instead provided a judicial ruling on the meaning of the rules.
Adaydreambeliever · 56-60, F
SW-User
Did they ever say how many ballots are waiting identification?
Beautifullyderanged · 36-40, F
@SW-User not in the text part of the article, there might be something in the audio part
SW-User
@Beautifullyderanged wow. PA really is up for grabs.
It seems like there are ~40k mail votes yet to be counted. ~15k provisional votes on each side.
It seems like there are ~40k mail votes yet to be counted. ~15k provisional votes on each side.
windinhishair · 61-69, M