This should have been brought up when ronald reagan depleted funds in a very racist manner from 1980 to 1988. He kicked a lot of people out of housing and starved many.No one called reagan out and he even called politicians “liberals” and Ted Kennedy didn’t stand up to reagan when the times called for it.
@Pfuzylogic glad i didnt live in the 80s... i would have propably ended up in some terror organisation then. everythign i learned abotu 80s politicans is an absolute nightmare.. from thatcher to reagan to brezhnev
@IlovePeaches The Iran confrontation gave the conservatives way too much power and reagan started our dive in debt like no other. Bush Sr. later had a Hoosier (from Indiana) VP just like we have now. Clinton saved our dive but the bush 43 put us right on track. Why is it that our Democratic Presidents have to be the intelligent ones and cleanup their mess. We don’t even know if donnie could pass a GED since he bought his SAT. He can’t even say Yosemite right 😂
You are owed reparations but at what cost? When we as human beings are coming together under the flag of human beings? Minority as we maybe we the people still believe in we the people. The melding pot we were created to be and we are taking labels and violence out of our mouths! We the people, are we the people full stop!
How much over how long and paid for in what manner?
On principle and moral value I believe your statement is true. And I'm certainly willing to entertain notions of what this might look like.
From a practical standpoint I'd prefer to see more programs focused on reducing wealth inequality for all. Because we don't really need billionaires, poverty hurts everyone, and programs that benefit a broad variety of people help prevent resentment invoked by jealousy.
I'm honestly afraid that reparations would lead to an upswing in hate crimes perpetrated against blacks.
@bijouxbroussard the nature of jealousy and resentment. And you can be sure politicians will be playing up that envy. The notion of black people sucking up welfare isn't even true and it keeps the racism flowing.
@ViciDraco I know. And you can look at the number of times on record when blacks have established businesses and thriving towns, only to have gangs of Klansmen come in, killing people and burning everything to the ground. They did that [b]without[/b] reparations. So what would change ?
No, none of this affected them personally so they don't need anything for that. They do however deserve reparation for and fixing of the racism that still happens today.
@DownTheStreet Personally, I think access to a quality education would make a huge difference. The proverbial “teaching someone to fish“ vs. handing them a fish, which would be short-lived and of little consequence to future generations. Sixty six years after Brown vs. Board of Education, schools are still effectively segregated, and still unequal in resources—that needs to be realistically addressed through high school, and then, possibly beyond.
This, for the descendants of people it was once actually [b]illegal[/b] to educate (people who taught slaves to read and write literally risked [b]prison[/b]) would be some measure of justice. Moreover, those who needed it would use that advantage, whether it was trade school or university. Those who saw no value in it, wouldn’t. But it would be their decision.
@bijouxbroussard the way schools are funded is surely part of the problem ... primarily thru local property taxes. Poor areas get poor schools. It’s more complicated than that but I’d think blending the funding formula more equitably would be a tangible, sustainable, measurable step forward.
Red lining is a term I haven't heard of before and it is a very shady practice from what I looked up. It does make me wonder if poverty is entirely man made.
@basilfawlty89 it's so strange that we've managed to convert a tool meant to serve humans into a power that humans now serve. We got everything so backwards with people working for the economy rather than the economy working for people.
@IstillmissEP Such a weak response and it shows that you have not read the full but I expect nothing more from you if anything intelligible at all, but I’ll humor. The economic gap between black an white people has not changed since the 60s. And it would take over a hundred years even with racial equal and same opportunities to actually catch up.
The US government has done just about everything to keep black people from getting a foothold in this country. And for some reason whites seem to have short term memory when it comes to all the handouts given to them for the last 100 + years. Homestead Act Redlining Excluding black people from the GI bill after WW2
@IstillmissEP Projecting much? And this isn’t theory this is literal research done by acclaimed economic institutes. Are you even capable of having honest discourse?
@Zenyatta ahh I see I just read it too fast. I thought it meant those master descendants should get something too and I was like hell no! Crazy that in order to free them they would have to buy them out. So if they were still purchased like a commodity, then how were they considered “free”? Still treated like property.
@SW-User it is immoral to hold children account for the sins of their fathers. Let’s move on and make a better world for everyone rather descend into tribalism,
@MarmeeMarch Actually that’s where you are completely wrong. On all accounts. For example 56 million white Americans can trace their familial wealth back to the homestead.Also we literally just gave have of Oklahoma to the Choctaws and we’ve given reparations to descendants of the people put in Japanese internment camps, “society will not tolerate ” you say🥴
@Zenyatta The Japanese did not get much with regard to a dollar value was under 20K per. The Japanese were taken out of their homes / businesses and put into camps. They lost money. The slaves were captured by their own people and the Brits and the Spanish and Dutch all had a hand in the pot. Then the people of Africa sold them to people in the US to a destiny that they knew exactly how they would be treated.
If anybody owes blacks reparations is the UK, Africa and Europe they made the big bucks. We eventually turned them into Doctors / Lawyers / Actors / men of Science / College Grads / Professors / Supreme Court Justices and even a President - twice !
Tell me if those opportunities would ever have been available to people from Sub-Saharan Africa....
So dont bellyache to me about the homesteads - my family has never cashed in on that. You feel guilty - or any whitey that feels guilty - you hand out your reparations. 😂
@MarmeeMarch This is absolutely embarrassing. I know you had to have felt real proud of this.
Let’s break it down to you point by point on why your gish galloping Is complete nonsense.
Exactly how has any country outside of the US benefited from the slavery going on in on in US that warrants reparations from American slaves? There is absolutely no correlation. For the descendants who live in said countries
America’s wealth on the other hand was built off centuries of free labor from slaves forced to maintain America’s most exported commodity, cotton. In 60 years, from 1801 to 1862, the amount of cotton picked daily by an enslaved person increased 400 percent. The profits from cotton propelled the US into a position as one of the leading economies in the world, and made the South its most prosperous region. The ownership of enslaved people increased wealth for Southern planters so much that by the dawn of the Civil War, the Mississippi River Valley had more millionaires per capita than any other region.
On another point there’s this country’s way of making sure that black people couldn’t get ahead financially which were points I made but ultimately ignored by you smooth brains because slavery is the only thing that pops up in your mind.
While blacks did make gains in wealth acquisition after chattel slavery ended, the pace was slow and started from a base of essentially nothing. Whites could use violence to force blacks from their property via the terrorism of whitecapping, where blacks were literally run out of town and their possessions stolen. This includes the race riots, as in Memphis in 1866 and Tulsa in 1921, which systematically destroyed or stole the wealth blacks had acquired, and lowered the rate of black innovation. Black wealth was tenuous without the rule of law to prevent unlawful seizures.
A complicit Federal Housing Administration permitted the use of restrictive covenants, which forbade home sales to blacks; redlining, which defined black communities as hazardous areas, directly reducing property values and increasing rates; and general housing and lending discrimination against African-Americans through the 20th and 21st centuries.
Moreover, blacks were largely excluded from the New Deal and World War II public policies, which were responsible for the asset creation of an American middle class. The GI Bill is one example of several postwar policies in which the federal government invested heavily in the greatest growth of a white asset-based American middle class, to the exclusion of blacks. Historian Ira Katznelson documents that, by 1950, via the GI Bill, the American government spent more on education than the Marshall Plan that rebuilt Europe. But most American colleges and universities were closed to blacks, or open to only but a few in token numbers. Meanwhile, GI benefits in education, employment, entrepreneurship and housing assistance were all distributed overwhelmingly toward whites. In the Jim Crow segregated South, there was a truncated housing supply. These factors limited the ability of historically black colleges and universities to accommodate the education and housing needs of black veterans.
On the next point having black celebrities, millionaires or even a president does not erase the wealth chasm that still persists. Your anecdotes mean absolutely shit to empirical data. Social science research indicates that blacks attain more years of schooling and education credentials than whites from families with comparable resources. In other words, blacks place a premium on education as a means of mobility.
Despite this investment, the racial wealth gap expands at higher levels of education. Black families where the head graduated from college have less wealth than white families where the head dropped out of high school. Rather than education leading to wealth, it is wealth that facilitates the acquisition of an expensive education. The essential value of wealth is its functional role; the financial security to take risks and the financial agency that wealth affords is transformative. Your anecdotes mean absolute shit compared to empirical data.
Once again your arguments fall flat and I’m very much doubting your citizenship here, exactly what reality do you live that has two American black presidents?
I am not asking for a source. Between this thread and the other, it seems like you are supportive of both sides almost like you are just an instigator. I am sure you aren't. @MarmeeMarch
