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If we don't kill us, the earth will.

Meanwhile, in his never-ending quest to undo anything good [i]ever,[/i]… The Trump administration is expected today to announce its final rule to relax Obama-era automobile fuel efficiency standards, virtually undoing the government’s biggest effort to combat climate change.
OwnerOfMany · 90-99, M
FIRST...This is NOT a defense of TRUMP!! I despise ALL politicians!
If you knew the wording of the fuel efficiency standards the reality of it all would piss you off. It is aimed at specific gasses emitted from catalytic converters, not all gasses.
Not getting into the politics or money shift involved or the cost to the public, what Trump did will only create the possibility of a 1% to 2% increase in the restricted emissions in the US. Since the US is only responsible for approximately 14% of the worlds pollution and this will only effect 1% to 2# of that 14% then in the grand scheme of climate change it is negligible.
OwnerOfMany · 90-99, M
@QuixoticSoul I was not talking about catalytic converters, they are acually part of the problem. And you are wrong that it translates to the amount of gasoline that is burned but more to how efficiently it is burned. The more efficiently it is burned the less emissions you have.
As for alternate fuels, ethanol, methanol, methane, hydrogen/oxygen injection, could all be cost efficient but are taxed beyond petroleum or regulated out of existence.
As for EVs, that is a whole new set of pollution problems waiting to be dealt with down the road not to mention the cost of creating the power to feed them.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@OwnerOfMany It's about carbon going into the atmosphere, total gasoline burned is about the only metric that counts in this context, and that's what those efficiency standards are aimed for. Nothing to do with catalytic converters.

All those alternate fuels have many of their own problems, and some don't even address the carbon situation. Taxes is not the reason why they haven't taken off.
OwnerOfMany · 90-99, M
@QuixoticSoul For crying out loud...can you read? I said, the more efficient the LESS FUEL, I also said converters were part of the problem.
ANY of those fuels are cleaner that petroleum and H/O injection is absolutely clean to burn, your exhaust is water vapor.
I did not say JUST taxes, I said taxed and or regulated out of existence.
Any way you slice it, big oil money will not let them "take off" as you so put it.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
Americans are so retarded about this shit, it's embarrassing.
SW-User
I think it goes to show that even in a crisis, Trump cares more about dismantling things done by Obama than helping a nation affected by a virus.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@SW-User Yup, because to him, building up your own legacy by doing noble things is the exact same as tearing down someone else's legacy. The latter is easier and more accessible to Trump. He thinks he can erase Obama when in fact, all he's doing is making his own smudge in the column of History that much uglier.
JoeyFoxx · 51-55, M
The notion that everything Obama touched was golden is exhausting.

The idea that if the current President undid something that Obama did automagically adds to his legacy of stupid is disingenuous at best.

Very little of what gets discussed on SW is based in actually science or economic realities.

The previous administration wasted billions of dollars on solar energy pork, but it sounded nice. The current administration is removing legislation to make government less heavy. Also sounds nice.

Both are bad.
@JoeyFoxx NAFTA is an agreement too. Not sure the verbiage is that significant.
JoeyFoxx · 51-55, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow There's a simple write-up on wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Agreement

All treaties are agreements, but not all agreements are treaties.

It is quite literally a political agreement. It was set up this way because there was no way to get all those countries to agree on a unified approach.

It's a great way to allow politicians to make them feel good about themselves. but it's not worth the paper it's written on.
@JoeyFoxx Which explains why they blew up Kyoto which actually required someone to do something useful.
I can't see the auto industry relaxing the fuel efficiency rules, I know Ca has announced any auto maker who doesn't meet the current standards, they will not purchase their cars for state use.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@independentone Plus, most automakers would prefer to be able to sell internationally, and not every nation is as backwards as the US.
SmartKat · 56-60, F
And STILL we’re not doing anything to stop him....
SW-User
Maybe it's best if we die
@SW-User That would cure everything 😳
The shock doctrine. Can't let a crisis go to waste.
JT123 · M
Good! These vehicle standards are nothing but a load of crapola to fill states pockets! Like the gas cap test. Total money making scam!

 
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