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Why do I think we need to adopt a war economy?

This is UK context though it relates to elsewhere. By 'war economy' I mean sonething like the state interventionist model which Britain and others adopted in WW2.

Because of the virus, we are already entering a major recession. Society enters semi lockdown so that people will be spending less and spending on different things.

If you work in the public sector or in an industry which deals in essential services, then you should be ok. Likewise if your company does a lot of trade in deliveries.

This is not everyone though. Lots of people work in hospitality or in service sector industries where demand has just collapsed and will stay collapsed for a few months. These businesses are already going under or laying off staff. Altohgether, this is perhaps ten percent of the workforce.

It means huge government welfare payments from the government but still not enough for families to put food on the table. There is no way that the market can adapt overnight to fill these jobs at this time so their could be an unemployment crisis to compound the medical crisis.

Our government needs to do more direct investment in the economy. Denmark is guaranteeing the wages of 75% of private workers and even Trump's thousand dollar payment to US citizens is more than our government is doing. All they are doing for businesses is to give them loans. What use is a loae if you have no customers for four months?

We need to nationalise key industries to keep people in work. This also makes sense because the virus will stop us importing a lot of things we need. A good place to start would be for the government to convert factories to make ventilators which hospitals are despertely short of. Charities are really struggling at a time when we need them more than ever. This is also a placen where government can, and should, intervene to create jobs.

I think governments of the world will all be forced to transition to something like a war time economy anyway. My worry is that some will be doing it as a reactive, not proactive, way of coping with the crisis. We need to do this now, not in two months time.
Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M Best Comment
We were always at risk of something like this if for no other reason, because the government controls none of it.

The ventilator shortage (scandalous in itself) is just part of two generations worth of decline and under~investment in basic healthcare infrastructure.
And this after the largest generation ever (the baby boomers) retired.

The public sector requires massive re-enforcement. Both financial and personnel wise.
If you pare things down to the bare bones, that's fine while it works. But get an event like this and your shortcomings will become awfully clear pretty quick.

Times like these illustrate very clearly, those who truly run your society !
Nurses; Care staff; Ambulance personnel; Social Workers; Firemen; Police; Prison officers etc.
And yet ALL the talk continues to be about BUSINESS or the BANKS which seem to cut and run anytime they feel threatened.

When the dust finally settles on this,and the body count is finalized. There will be so many lessons that HAVE to be learned.

Otherwise if it should happen again, none of us will survive !

Normal capitalist rhetoric: Command economies suck and don't work.


Capitalist rhetoric in a crisis: Quick! implement a command economy!
@Lhayezee A command economy is not a cliche.

And actually it does require things like homelessness. What happens if everyone has a home? Instant housing market crash. You can't have a market without demand.
@Lhayezee I also find the absurd idea that a monopoly is only bad when it is public(government)kind of funny.
Lhayezee · 26-30, F
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow I wouldn't confuse monopolists or oligarchs with capitalists though. It's just that right now the latter has been taken over by the former. No capitalist or any sort except the monopolist and oligarch set would until the 1980s have said that market regulation was bad.
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Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@RodneyTrotter On that I agree with you.
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Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@RodneyTrotter No worries at all mate.
Northwest · M
I alluded to that, a couple of days ago, in a response here.

Adopting a war time economy, not only solves supply issues, with the right prioritization (medical equipment, sanitizers, toilet paper :-)), but it also puts those who are now out of work, back to work, in a controlled and safe environment (sanitation, quarantine, ,etc.).

The US is preparing to go in that direction, but I agree with you, this should be proactive, not reactive when the bodies start piling up.
It seems we have a strategic opportunity. Even after the epidemic we will not return to normal. It will be a different world where we will be managing recurring waves of respiratory flu and other infectious diseases driven by climate change and population. We can invest in new technologies and infrastructure systems and sell that to the rest of the world. Not to mention drugs, therapies, vaccines. The amount of the investment is nothing compared to the amount of wealth we have lost and will lose as a nation.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
The uk chancellor announced that the government is providing grants to cover 80% of wages and i support this move.

We are now sorting out the economy though we are still behind on public health
beckyromero · 36-40, F
We don't need to nationalise key industries to keep people in working

But we certaintly need key industries working at the behest of government.

Guaranteeing wages in the short term (many months) should be part of it.

[quote]A good place to start would be for the government to convert factories to make ventilators which hospitals are despertely short of. [/quote]

This should have been happening a month ago.
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@MarkPaul

We, as a country, need to get our collective heads of the sand.

We spends tens of millions of dollars each year on studies and reports highlighting the dire consequences of inaction on any numbers of subjects. And then we do nothing.

[u]Example:[/u]
There were plenty of experts and some elected officials, like then-Sen. Mary Landrieu, who warned for years about the danger New Orleans faced if a storm surge from a hurricane hit Lake Pontchartrain.

Did anyone listen? No. Then Hurricane Katrina hit.
MarkPaul · 26-30, M
@beckyromero It feels as though we are fighting against human nature though. And, that's almost as formidable as Mother Nature.
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@MarkPaul

We never learn.
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Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@PainfulTruth lol. This comment is petty, off-topic and factually wrong.

The US entered ww2 because it didnt want one country (Germany) dominating Europe. It also only got involved after Pearl Harbour.

I addition, American military might cant exactly protect you from this and you have the same problems we do.

I wish you and your country well in these dark times and i really dont care about the one upmanship.

 
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