Liberal/Leftist Logic

@Djac17 do anti abortion people adopt at higher rates, i wonder if they oppose adoption by gays or other groups?
it is logical because you are calling for more children who will be born unwanted

@SW-User AND ALL THE PROBLEMS THAT COME WITH ALLOWING THAT CHILD TO BE BORN that they never want to contemplate !

A woman who doesn't want to be a Mother probably having to go through the extra heartbreak of not only giving birth to that child, but who then has to go through the added traumas associated with giving up that child immediately to the authorities for adoption.

A child that had no choice but to go through the process of probably having several different carers before being considered for adoption.

Potential Foster placement breakdowns.

Time spent in a childrens home and all the added stress and aggravation living your young, needy life with other kids who may well have problems that infringe on your rights of being able to live a life free from violence, potential assault (of every variety !) etc.

Creation of all manner of psychological or physical problems due to trying to survive in that environment.

Emotional problems due to difficulty in making and maintaining relationships.

Potential difficulty in the education system. If you find it hard living with ten other kids being in a classroom with thirty can and often is difficult.
That in turn can lead to Statementing (or whatever the process is called in your country) where the child is supposedly assessed as to their 'educational need'. Which, even if they get right, means a Social Worker is having to seek out alternative educational places and even if they find the right one, it'll all come down to whether the Social work team and the education budget can afford to place that child there.

And every day resentment builds in that child.

Many are seriously depressed.

Many are on medication for same.

Many go through several living environments before they 'settle'.

Many go on to the justice system.

Many go through EXACTLY the same lives their Mothers went through and the whole process starts again !

All because of stupid (predominantly) white men keep this stupid idea going !!!

@Djac17 [c=#BF0000]Dats a dumb argument. Shows your lack of understanding. It's like a poor couple having 8 kids and saying 'children are a blessing and it's not my fault the government doesn't do anything about our living standards'. See how uneducated dat sounds? Also it's not just being thrown into foster care but unwanted kids also get abused by their parents. You don't know wut situation the kid's family's in and there are grey areas. Decisions need to be made according to wut is best. And getting an abortion isn't wrong like some holier than thou rightoids think. Thousands of viable sperms and eggs which could've gotten fertilized, turned into babies and lived lives get wasted away. Nature or your god is the biggest abortionist. Humans have always been too self important. Maybe actually try using your brain once instead of seeing things in black and white [/c]

I am not married, but if I was, and my wife was raped, I would first find out who raped her and kick his ass. In regards to my wife becoming Pregnant from it, I would sit down with my wife, and talk about our options. We would discuss Adoption or Keeping the child. I would not however, even suggest Abortion, because I do not think a child should be put to death for the crimes of the father. Whatever option my wife and I chose, I would make damn sure that there would be child support payments coming out of the rapists pocket. And if my wife and I decided to keep the baby, I would gladly raise that child, even though they aren’t my blood. And when the child is old enough to understand, my wife and I would explain to them what happened.@Nyloncapes

@Djac17 [@Djac17 what about if your wife never felt the same about abortion as you , and wanted one

I won’t marry someone with an opposing political ideology. I don’t see how it would work for a good marriage. Especially if you have a kid together, you have two parents with opposing ideologies trying to raise a kid. I know some people on here aren’t religious, but I’m sure that’s one reason the Bible says to be “equally yolked or yoked”@Nyloncapes

@sunsporter1649 I know what he said.

[quote] Julie Carey: … There was a very contentious committee hearing yesterday when Fairfax County Delegate Kathy Tran made her case for lifting restrictions on third-trimester abortions, as well as other restrictions now in place. And she was pressed by a Republican delegate about whether her bill would permit an abortion even as a woman is, essentially, dilating, ready to give birth. And she answered that it would permit an abortion at that stage of labor. Do you support her measure? And explain her answer.

Ralph Northam: You know, I wasn’t there, Julie, and I certainly can’t speak for Delegate Tran, but I would tell you — one, the first thing I would say is this is why decisions such as this should be made by [healthcare] providers, physicians, and the mothers and fathers that are involved. There are — you know when we talk about third-trimester abortions, these are done with the consent of, obviously, the mother, with the consent of the physicians, more than one physician by the way. And it’s done in cases where there may be severe deformities, there may be a fetus that’s non-viable. So in this particular example, if a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen. The infant would be delivered, the infant would be kept comfortable, the infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother. So I think this was really blown out of proportion …[/quote]

But your position here is pretty contrived, and rests on a bad faith reading of an impromptu answer on a complex ethical topic.

@QuixoticSoul Ask Danny Thomas how he feels about babies

@sunsporter1649 k

@Picklebobble2 well why shuld the man have any penalty haha, we dont even enforce child support, but again another issue

@SW-User Too many men in politics. Too many men in religious posts = Same answer everytime

@Picklebobble2 too many men who really do not see women as equal

@Djac17 it remains her body, and of course when woman are forced they did not make a choice,
and she retains the right to decide what happens to her body, beyond just a choice abvout sex or no sex, and of course many anti abortion people dont believe rape is a reason for an abortion, whcih personally i find repugnant

Why should the child be put to death for the crimes of the rapist? I understand if it’s tough for a woman to know she’s carrying her rapists baby, but why should the baby be killed because of what their father did? We don’t even give rapists the death penalty in America @SW-User

@Djac17 givng rapist death penaly or not is totally irrelevant.
why shuld a woman be forced to carry a child created by rape. and at first it isnt a fetus yet, no self awareness whatsoever
raping woman and forcing them to term is a horrific thing men have done for millenium and it still remains disgusting

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@SW-User I agree there are differences, and really don't claim that I'm not wacky. I can usually explain myself, but sometimes my explanations don't make much sense even to me.

@MistyCee Makes sense to disapprove of the state killing of adults, but the state sponsored killing of babies is ok?

@sunsporter1649 and vice versa. It never ceases to amaze me how hypocritical people can be and yet never see two sides to an issue.