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Johnson suspends parliament!!!!!!!!!

So much for we won't leave without a Deal!!!
plungesponge · 41-45, M
I think this is going to fire up the independence movements across Ireland, Scotland and Wales. They are going to say they were dragged into a mismanaged situation by a government that wasn't open to their concerns
Harriet03 · 41-45, F
@plungesponge
A Englishman a Irishman & a Scotsman walk into a bar. They all left because the Englishman wanted to!! 🤷‍♀️
thatscottishguy · 26-30, M
@plungesponge Praying that you're right.
billstickers · 36-40, M
@Harriet03 😂😂
Harriet03 · 41-45, F
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Degbeme · 70-79, M
@Harriet03 😅
SW-User
Given that so many MPs won't respect the will of the people, I am not entirely surprised it has come to this. Very sad state of affairs though
thatscottishguy · 26-30, M
@SW-User Exactly. Monetary policy would be set down south.
SW-User
@thatscottishguy the then UK government (Osborne) said he wouldn't agree to monetary union. If Scotland went independent then having a monetary union seems a bit against spirit of taking back control.
thatscottishguy · 26-30, M
@SW-User Well he was talking out his arse (what a shock) and for us to be denied a currency that we actually used before you would be ridiculous. As I said though I don't want the pound and neither do the SNP anymore so it's fine.
jomsim · 26-30, M
What the eff is he up to? Is he going to force Brexit through and not let MPs vote on whatever he plans? This isn't going to wash.
SW-User
@jomsim that's exactly what he's doing... Welcome to dictatorship by stealth
Northwest · M
I guess the Queen has no choice but comply. This is not really what the British public voted for. Good luck to you, we have our own President, who dreams of being king.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@Northwest She will (usually) act on the advice of her Prime Minister, but is not obliged to do so. Declining her Prime Minister’s advice is unusual, but not political.... she need not bend to advice of any sort, although she will usually consult her Privy Council.

She is, after all, the Head of State, and the Parliament sits at her pleasure.

The Queen once dismissed the Australian Prime Minister and the entire Parliament.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/10/01/australia-had-a-government-shutdown-once-it-ended-with-the-queen-firing-everyone-in-parliament/?noredirect=on
Northwest · M
@newjaninev2 Britain does not have a written constitution, and the Queen, while not obliged to, has not taken a political action on her own.

The 1975 incident, was carried out by the Governor-General, who, is appointed by the Queen, on advice of her Prime Minister. The Governor-General, gets his marching orders, from the Prime Minister. The WP's headline, while technically correct, is misleading.

To my knowledge, the Queen has always acted on advice of her Prime Minister. This is what keeps this charade going.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@Northwest The Governor-General is appointed by the Queen. She may, [i]if so inclined,[/i] give the government that role, but is in no way obliged to do so. That first happened (here in New Zealand) only in the 70s. The Governor-General is the Queen’s representative, and acts solely with her authority. For example, if Parliament makes a new law, it does not become law until the Prime Minister goes to the Governor-General and obtains what is, in effect, the Queen’s signature (this is known as the Royal Assent). If she refuses her assent, that law is placed aside as if it never happened.

Of course, there is a long tradition of the Queen being ‘hands-off’, but that is merely tradition, and can be swept aside at any time that it pleases Her Majesty to do so. Underneath the smiling face of democracy, her power remains absolute... as the British are now learning. Parliament, taxation, police, currency, the armed forces, the courts, etc all operate under, and with, her authority.

That sweet little lady is, in reality, a Godzilla in disguise. Occasionally she drops the disguise and destroys a few skyscrapers, but as you have indicated, she tries not to do so, because then the general public start saying ‘hey, wait s minute, what’s going on here?'
SW-User
I know. True constitutional crisis. Our parliament is the sovereign power in the country not the government not the PM.

Hangs head in shame as to how we must look in the world.
jomsim · 26-30, M
@SW-User I feel like I truly know what that Chinese curse, "May you live in interesting times" means now.
Degbeme · 70-79, M
What has happened to the good old days when the people got all drunk and pissed off...................... stormed the place looted hung the bastards and started all over again? *ho-hum* ☕
Degbeme · 70-79, M
@SW-User I don`t live in England and know enough about Farage to say NO! 😅
SW-User
@Degbeme I love how an ex city of London broker a man who's manipulation of markets to make himself money at the expense of many people's livelihoods somehow is marketed as the non-establishment man of the people.... Like... Seriously? Great marketing you have to say but why can't people see through it.
Degbeme · 70-79, M
@SW-User You know as well as I do. Bullshit baffles brains.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
Here in Canada we call it proroguing parliament. It happens all the time. Not a big deal. Just one of many prerogatives the PM has. Too often we get better government when parliament is prorogued.
Harriet03 · 41-45, F
@hippyjoe1955 True.
However the max is 10 days. Not nearly 5 weeks!!
At the very least, this is a power grab.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@Harriet03 Prorogation here in Canada is 40 days in length but several of them can be strung together. The only limit is that parliament must meet at least once in the year. It can be used to shut down a nasty opposition or it is simply clearing the deck for a new direction/focus as it eliminates all the legislation on the parliament's agenda. Not really a big deal. In the case of Brexit the British people already had their say. They want Brexit. For once the parliament should reflect the will of the people as clearly stated in the plebiscite held by the government of the day. The remainers are wrong on this one.
Harriet03 · 41-45, F
@hippyjoe1955 People were assured it would not be " no deal"
Desperate men resort to desperate measures...
MartinII · 70-79, M
I think Johnson’s plan is that he will have a deal to put to Parliament, and they will have a choice between endorsing the deal or acquiescing in a no deal exit. If that happens, those who claim to be campaigning against no deal (but are really campaigning against Brexit) will have an interesting decision to make. Of course, whether the plan actually works out like that is anybody’s guess.
MartinII · 70-79, M
@jomsim I think the EU is belatedly coming round to the view that they may have to renegotiate in order to avoid a no deal exit, which of course they don’t want.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@MartinII Possibly, which is why I dont thinkits a done deal now. But Johnson just needs to stay at the wheel for this to happen by itself. Unless the EU makes a better offer, (in which has he looks like a winner. He will simply allow the matter to resolve itself, and rid the public of the controversy, in which case he looks like a winner. Churchill to the rescue. And like Churchill, I dont expect he will last long after that.
MartinII · 70-79, M
@whowasthatmaskedman Churchill finally ceased to be Prime Minister 10 years after the war - admittedly with a long interval in between!
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
What? I can't imagine what's wrong with a prime minister elected by 0.13% of the population trying to suspend parliament to cram through a situation parliament would otherwise stop.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
WE havent quite reached the part where I say "I told you so" yet.. But its close..
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@whowasthatmaskedman from my point of view we're beyond that
Sharon · F
Hopefully the queen will tell him where to get off.
Harriet03 · 41-45, F
@Sharon She's German after all!!
Ah so politics are f'd up outside the US as well .. interesting ..
WalksWith · 51-55, F
I was just reading about this! Holy fuck!
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🤦‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤦‍♀️

I dont

I just dont
Harriet03 · 41-45, F
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CheshireCatalyst · 36-40, M
Second one up against the wall when the revolution comes.

Ed Sheeran is still first.
jomsim · 26-30, M
@CheshireCatalyst Do we have to wait for the revolution to get rid of the ginger numpty?
CheshireCatalyst · 36-40, M
@jomsim I'm afraid so. His security is too tight as it stands.
jomsim · 26-30, M
@CheshireCatalyst Oh, well. At least we're getting close now!
Nimbus · M
A pity as I was hoping he'd suspend himself from a large height.
Ferric67 · M
It's earthier that or tar and feather them.
Harriet03 · 41-45, F
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Londonguy23 · 51-55, M
Lets hope that its a negotiating ploy on his part
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@Londonguy23 negotiating with who?
cheesenpickles · 26-30, F
That guy is a show pony 🙄
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