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Americans, do you support military intervention in Iran?

If you do, please explain under what circumstances you would see it as acceptable and what you think it would achieve.
Northwest · M Best Comment
I'm afraid we will have no say in the matter.

Over the weekend, the justification was provided. It seems as if 4 vessels, 2 Saudi, 1 Emirati and one Scandinavian, were "damaged" in a sabotage act, in the waters of the Gulf. The damage seems to be superficial, but the GCC countries, and the "Bolton" channel, immediately started sending out "Gulf of Tonkin" vibes.

All it's going to take, is one drunken Iranian passer-by, and it's going to explode into a full blown war.

This was inevitable, the moment General McMaster was replaced by Jon Bolton. I am wondering when Trump's voters will wake up and smell Iraq War, you know, the thing they voted for Trump to get us out of.

Bolton is very open about his goal: forceful regime change. We have not learned a single thing from our regime change experience in Iraq.
Northwest · M
@St0ut [quote]don’t let the facts on the ground be trumped by your hated for Bolton or trump[/quote]

What facts?
St0ut · 51-55, M
@Northwest you know I am not a trump supporter


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/05/iran-nuclear-deal-rouhani-suspends-some-commitments-190509072532180.html
Northwest · M
@St0ut [quote]you know I am not a trump supporter [/quote]

Why would this even matter? Isn't the truth what matters?

I don't know what this URL is supposed to prove. Iran signed a deal with the US and several other nations. We pulled out of that deal, and imposed crushing sanctions on them.

So far, Iran has yet to restart its nuclear program, because they think they can still work with the Europeans. AlJazeera used to have some integrity, but it's now a cheap rag, that's the mouthpiece of the much changed Qatari rulers. If I wanted to know what Aljazeera wants to say, I read the Arabic version http://aljazeera.net.

Our issues with Iran did not start with the hostages. It goes back to when we organized a coup, that deposed the democratically elected Prime Minister, in 1953, and forced the Shah to come back, and rule much the same way a Stalin does.

It also looks like we have not had enough payback, what with pushing Saddam into a war with Iran, that killed millions. We armed him, gave him satellite imagery, targeting information, logistics support, everything he needed to target civilians with his missiles.

Yet, and even after all that, the general street feeling in Iran is pro USA, and anti Mullahs. So, why don't we go ahead, and push them back into the abyss.

hunkalove · 61-69, M
What happens in Iran is none of our business. It's just a way to give another trillion dollars to the military-industrial complex.
Fernie · F
@St0ut I agree 100% with hunka...why don't you pull your head out of your ass...I have found you irritating as hell since you got here...always after the women here and completely ignorant of the facts
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@hunkalove That guy John Bolton seems heavily involved too. Didn't he leave the Bush administration for being too much of a hawk?
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@Burnley123 John Bolton has never seen a war he didn't salivate about starting or participating in. Yes, he was an integral part of the Bush Administration that assured the nation that Iraq had nuclear weapons and was prepared to use them. You can watch his contemporaneous comments on youtube. He would have spent his days in the dustbin of history, but then Trump happened. It makes no sense for Trump, who pledged to end all of these wars, to bring in Bolton, who wants more wars, but that's Trump Foreign Policy for you.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
Zero reason for us to get involved in Iran. Completely manufactured crisis.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@QuixoticSoul Well, there is an election coming. 😇
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@Burnley123 There needs to be a reason to manufacture it after all 🤷‍♂️
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
I read recently that 70% of Americans consider Iran an enemy so that should give you some idea of the support that maniac in the White House could expect were he crazy enough to take this all the way.
St0ut · 51-55, M
@RodionRomanovitch well the we are the great satan
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
@MarmeeMarch I know more about Iran , its history and its people than you will ever know.
@RodionRomanovitch Thats fine, I dont want to know anything about that filthy place other than how they were to us in the late 70s. Thats all -
I think America should stop poking around in other countries business unless it concerns us, to many people have died through the yrs with wanting to be in the lime light. America needs to take care of itself first
Loretta78 · 46-50, F
@Footsugar123 👍️
@Loretta78 🙌
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
Nope. We are in trillions of dollars in debt, someday it will break us and the richest will be able to move while the poor get taken over by Russia. No I'm not talking about Russia AND Trump, I'm just saying that someday we'll have to owe our debts and I hope it's not in my lifetime. War is too expensive and our school system in America ranks like 30 or something among first worlds and that's scary to me.
Northwest · M
Some of the comments are interesting, and show the ugly American in some. It's like they expect the entire world to bow down to our bullying, and not for one second, consider how other nations might feel.
Loretta78 · 46-50, F
@Northwest I agree. 😐️
SW-User
[c=#4C0073]eh .. if there's oil or some trade route to be gained, rest assured the good ol' yew ass of A will go to war to ravage, conquer and dominate it .. history should have made that very clear[/c]
SW-User
@SW-User we like things that benefit us 🤷🏻‍♂️
SW-User
@SW-User [c=#4C0073]me too, especially if they're bunnylicious type of thingz :p[/c]
SW-User
@SW-User lol
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Theseus · 46-50, M
Ordinarily no, but in those situations where civilization is under existential threat if we do not intervene, military involvement is the clear lesser of two evils.

All that aside, through various proxies Iran has CLEARLY demonstrated hostility toward the United States. If there is a war, it won't be one we started. (My personal preference in all these skirmishes is to obliterate the hostile government with as little civilian casualties as possible.)
Theseus · 46-50, M
@Burnley123 They've financed/fomented several attacks against us and our allies. Time constraints limit the degree to which I can address the sour history between the U.S. and Iran, but these two links will get you started:

https://www.aipac.org/-/media/publications/policy-and-politics/aipac-analyses/one-pagers/a-history-of-iranian-attacks-on-americans.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93United_States_relations
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Theseus Who is the greater threat, American to Iran or Iran to America?
Theseus · 46-50, M
@Burnley123 Indirectly, Iran is a greater threat. Why? Because Iran has a) the potential to start a global conflagration by attacking Israel, Saudi Arabia, et al, and b) is governed by madmen who actually WANT to precipitate an apocalyptic holocaust. (Google Twelver eschatology or just Twelver Islam).

Contrast that to American/western leaders who, for all of their many foibles, only want to make the world safe for capitalism. 😊

Now, by all this I do [b][i][u]NOT[/u][/i][/b] mean to suggest that the U.S. is by any means the innocent party in all this. The U.S. has treated Iran horrendously throughout its history. Despite (or perhapse because of) that knowledge, Iran is still one of our foremost threats.
St0ut · 51-55, M
If they test a ballistic missle, If they attempt stop free trade in the gulf.

If they test a WMD
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@QuixoticSoul "Hey look they're brown! GET 'EM!"
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@St0ut [quote]no the previous testy was not working Acts of aggression by Hamas and hezbollah (both Iranian sponsored paramilitary terrorist units) where not covered by the treaty.

Ballistic missile technologies not covered by the treaty
Etc[/quote]
The treaty covered nuclear proliferation, not the terrorism stuff (sanctions regarding terrorism stuff remained unaffected). These are separate efforts.

Ballistic missiles are normal battlefield weapons, they aren’t banned by any treaty - even ones Iran isn’t signed to. There is no leg to stand on there.
Northwest · M
@CountScrofula Good one :-)
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Burnley123 · 41-45, M
[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IsSpAOD6K8]

Same as it ever was...
Loretta78 · 46-50, F
@kingkyri 👍️
And I add to your comment: When a nation with a very, very different culture and a COMPLETELY different political kind of government (dictature, monarchy, whatever…) is used to it since 100 of years, you cannot teach and force them within a few years to take our form of democracy.

Only because this democracy works good for us it doesn´t mean that it works good for all other nations in this world.
MethDozer · M
@Burnley123 [youtube=https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nSuregWhlWk]
firefall · 61-69, M
I can't imagine any attempt would be able to achieve, or even what reason or purpose would justify this
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@firefall People can always find one though. Even when no reason exists, 'reasons' always seem to appear. Sigh
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
Yes. Any circumstances would be sufficient. I would apply the Afghan or Iran model, i.e., depose the government, dismantle the military and set up a democracy.
MethDozer · M
@QuixoticSoul Doesn't matter of it was or wasn't . It isn't now, so....Success!!!!!


We at least stopped it from becoming one
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@MethDozer Created ISIS in the process, but that’s mostly solved now too so... double plus good!
MethDozer · M
@QuixoticSoul Cheney kicked ISIS ass before ISIS even existed . So much win.
SW-User
Not one bit.
SW-User
I am not too sure about such things but I believe that Iran is an ally of China and Russia. I do not think they would appreciate an ally being attacked. Things could escalate.
Bagalamaga · 56-60, M
@SW-User China and the states are not exactly best buddies either these days. Russia will not interfere with a U.S -China conflict
MarineBob · 56-60, M
Just finish them off
snowbelt · 61-69, M
@MarineBob What justifies "wiping out" millions of people who weren't even born yet?

Should you be "wiped out" by the British for the Revolutionary War? Or by the Germans for WWI or WWII?
MarineBob · 56-60, M
Sins of their fathers
@MarineBob No sin of anybody - we had our reasons. They had theirs - they lost. One thing good about the French they did help in the REV war.
LonelyMan · M
No boots on the ground.
St0ut · 51-55, M
@LonelyMan that may not be feasible you can’t limit a war by that measure and expect to win.
If they cause one American soldier or civilian to get so much as a hangnail - then we should go in non stop night and day like we did in Iraq -- Especially at night.
@windinhishair I like it already
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@MarmeeMarch Tweet it to Bolton. He's looking for an excuse big time, just like his fake pronouncement of nukes in Iraq in the early 2000s.
@windinhishair 🤷‍♂️
GunSmoke9 · 56-60, M
No I don't. I prefer increasing sanctions on them. This could lead to a revolution by the people. Of course the Europeans are too weak to go along.
SmartKat · 56-60, F
NO. It’s a f—-ing stupid idea!
Human1000 · M
Is it that time for war again?

 
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