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Are ad hominem arguments ever justified?

Julia Roberts has been getting a load of stick as a 'hypocrite' for flying to the UK to talk about climate change. An ad hominem attack is the process of attacking a person in order to undermine their arguments. Its particularly prevelent here with the UK press.

The argument goes that she can't really truly care about the issue because she is not practicing what she preaches. I think this line of argument is bollox.

Show me a perfect world and I'll show you a perfect person...

Wanting to change a society does not mean that you choose to live outside it. Indeed, you can't choose to live outside it and that is modern life.

The same argument is applied to left wing celebrities who think we should pay higher taxes. 'if you don't donate yourself then you can't preach at others for doing the same and must be a hypocrite. Interestingly, non rich people who are in favour of higher taxes are called jealous. Maybe if you are a middle incone socialist then you have no other option other than to be both jealous and a hypocrite.

The same illogical reasoning can be applied to all things. Perhaps libertarians should be banned from using public schools and roads? Maybe all pro war people should be forcibly conscripted into the army? Perhaps white people who acknowledge white priveledge exists should quit their middle class jobs just because they identify that society has a problem?


Clearly this is ridiculous. Those who employ such arguments show the intellectial weakness of their own position. Having an opinion on government policy does not mandate individuals to individually take a decision which must be made collectively.

Ad hominem users also frequently reveal their own selfish streak because they just can't get it I to their heads why some people would support a policy position which is against their own purely personal interests. Julia Roberts is dismissed as a hypocrite because she is an affluent person who cares, though the people who are dismissing her are affluent people who don't care so perhaps some degree of guilt projection is involved here.

I think that people should practice what they preach where they can and take reasonable personal choices. You can't be expected to live outside society though. Also, your lifestyle choices should not detract from the validity of your personal arguments
Northwest · M
Ad hominem attacks are not justified. Parties across the political spectrum use them, because they are [b]effective[/b]. The stats do not lie. The Donald Trump presidency is the ultimate proof this works (for those who do not believe in stats).

This is a shame.

I don't see what Roberts did as hypocrisy. Until we develop fossil fuel free ways to travel, advocacy is going to have an impact, but the hope is that advocacy is a investment, that will pay big. This is something that anyone who's ever deposited money into a savings account, or the stock market, should understand.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@Burnley123 Not at all. We're conditioned to accept typos now. Just in the last day, the president couldn't spell "Kentuky" or "stollen" in two unhinged tweets and no one cares. You're good.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@windinhishair Thanks. I'm crap at phone typing though.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@Burnley123 Most of us are, especially for longer posts.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
I have to say that I rarely take celebrity opinions on matters of science or politics seriously. But the gnashing of teeth that happens whenever someone involved with climate change takes a taxi or flies somewhere, is simply transparent horseshit.
Ynotisay · M
Good post.
And the "don't fly if you care about climate change" argument is one of the most foolish and purely stupid attempts out there. It drives me nuts.
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
While I agree that attacking someone personally instead of their argument, is by definition an "ad hominem" attack, I am not so sure that is what is happening to Julia Roberts here.

Yes, it's lazy and pointless to attack her for flying in a jet to make her speech. I'm not sure what the alternative is here, have her swim?

Regardless, I don't have a problem with celebrities being criticized for telling others how to live, while they themselves continue to exist in bubbles of privilege and wealth.

What exactly did Julia Roberts sacrifice here for the sake of promoting her beliefs surrounding climate change? An afternoon at best? You can't tell me she had to pay for her flight, or hotel accommodations, or her food, I am quite sure she was given all that for free for her time.

And that's really all she gave here. Her time and her fame.

As a citizen of the world, who is expected to listen to her and others like her, and apparently make sacrifices in my behavior, purchases, taxes, and money, that is simply not enough on her part.

Talk is cheap. It doesn't take much for Julia Roberts or Leo DiCaprio to show up at an organized event, make a speech and then saunter off back to their lives of indulgence and privilege.

Have any of these people truly downsized their "carbon footprint"? Are they living in smaller houses, driving smaller, fuel efficient cars, not having kids, and donating a sizable portion of their wealth to their cause? Nope.

But they want the rest of us to pay the taxes, change our lifestyles, and bear the cost of converting to renewables and ending fossil fuels.

Sorry but I don't listen to a word any celebrity says about social or political issues.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@SumKindaMunster OK. So we should all completely ignore Donald J Trump?
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@Burnley123 You are welcome to do so Burnley. I wonder if you could....
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
There's a fallacy for that, it's called appeal to hypocrisy. It's when people call others a hypocrite but just because one may be doing something that is hypocritical doesn't mean that they are lying. Even hypocrites can be right so it's more meant as a red herring to take away from the argument which is climate change.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
https://bookofbadarguments.com/?view=allpages

Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@SatanBurger I love that.
Budwick · 70-79, M
What if I'm an average Joe dismissing Julia's climate change rhetoric? What does that make me?
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@Budwick Ignorant.
SmartKat · 56-60, F

 
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