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Do u blame Donald Trump for the shooting in New Zealand ? 🙄

I dont blame him persay, because this was the act of an individual. But there are a lot of nazi minded people out there who feel like its perfectly ok to kill people of color now simply because they believe that Donald Trump thinks and feels the way that they do.
Do you see how dangerous this is. Now look at us. Comments. 😐️
Loretta78 · 46-50, F Best Comment
I see it so as you. We can´t blame him for that but things are going in a really dangerous direction because there are really people outside who believe that Trump thinks and feels the way that they do.


And it is no secret that Trump is no friends of minorities, other races and Muslims (except maybe when they are from Saudi Arabia...)
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@Loretta78 You are welcome.
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artistinresidence · 51-55, M
what awards was he given for working with blacks? LOL He was found guilty of discriminating against minorities in his rental units.. his language is racist and targets minorities on a daily basis
@Suesinglemom

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Budwick · 70-79, M
@Zonuss Trust me, I did.
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@Budwick What an imbecile. 🤭
Budwick · 70-79, M
@Zonuss [quote]What an imbecile.[/quote]

Really?
Because I'm white?
First of all, these guys' actions were completely their own. The manifesto freely admits they were going to claim support for Trump AND use guns to purposely divided the right and the left wings in America. Questions like this only feed into that and give them the win.

Secondly,blaming politicians for the actions of nut jobs typically has more to do with our media playing us off each other than with the actual politicians. Trump is no more responsible for this than Bernie Sanders was for one of his supporters shooting Steve Scalise. If anyone bears the blame, it's the media.

Third, assigning blame only divides further, it doesn't bring anyone together for a solution.
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@PrivateHell You cannot blame the media. Its just the media. In spite of its ability to influence, we are all solely responsible for our actions. If someone is influenced by the media its because they are weak vessels who cannot think or act for themselves.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@PrivateHell [quote]The manifesto freely admits they were going to claim support for Trump[/quote] I don’t think it does.
[quote]AND use guns to purposely divided the right and the left wings in America.[/quote] This is true though.
Crawgator · 56-60, M
@Zonuss [quote]You cannot blame [b]Trump[/b]. Its just [b]Trump[/b]. In spite of [b]his[/b] ability to influence, we are all solely responsible for our actions. If someone is influenced by [b]Trump[/b] its because they are weak vessels who cannot think or act for themselves.[/quote]
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
He's not to blame for the shooting but he is to blame for propagating exactly the same kind of nationalist / white supremacist shite that this maniac did. The fact that he is also the President of the United States of America and does it is beyond my comprehension.
Zonuss · 41-45, M
PeachesGR · 61-69, F
@Zonuss What is funny about coolhand's post?
Bagalamaga · 56-60, M
He had nothing to do with it and it had nothing to do with color I believe
Bagalamaga · 56-60, M
@Zonuss a disgrace for speaking the truth? That’s a perfect picture painted on how this brainwashed world works today.
@Bagalamaga So you are pro segregation. Figures.
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@Bagalamaga Your truth is twisted.
Budwick · 70-79, M
[quote] because they believe that Donald Trump thinks and feels the way that they do.[/quote]

I don't claim to know how Nazi's feel, but if they do think that Trump feels the same way - why would that be do you suppose? Cuz the hate filled, leftist media has drummed it into the public's head ever since Trump was misquoted in Charlottesville?

And that whack job in New Zealand said he supported President Trump "as a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose," In that respect, he sounds more like YOU than Trump!
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@Zonuss If you don't like that maybe Zeenazi would be more appropriate.
Budwick · 70-79, M
@hippyjoe1955 That one does sound, .... zippee - er.
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@hippyjoe1955 More gibberish aye. 🤔
Heartlander · 80-89, M
:) Liberals blame Donald Trump for everything except higher employment numbers, lower taxes, and favorable economic growth.
Heartlander · 80-89, M
@HerKing

[quote]And this one will be worse directly because of the highest deficit in US history[/quote]

I'm not a Republican. I'm better defined as an anti-Democrat :)

What Republicans do best is crumble and hand the ball to the Democrats. They will do likewise with the deficit. If you think the deficit is bad now, wait until health care gets completely handed over to the Democrats and they try to pay for it by overtaxing the American people. What's keeping the deficit from crushing the US now is the expanding economy. Continue to raise the deficit and shrink the economy and ....
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@Heartlander As long as the general public is spending money there is nothing to fear.
Yes there is a deficit. But the governent wants you to believe that there is not enough money to pay for this debt in full. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Heartlander · 80-89, M
@Zonuss @HerKing ..

Thanks for the spirited exchange. Gotta run.
SW-User
There are plenty of things to blame him for, things he does himself, things that are intentional. Does Trump indirectly embolden racists and other hateful people with the things he says? Yes. Is Trump responsible for the actions of everyone that looks up to him? No.
lizzy96 · 26-30, F
@Zonuss I'd hate to see his reaction after that for the Jews will not replace protest Trump said there were very fine people on both sides
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@SW-User Trump does not denounce Nationalism. 🙂
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@lizzy96 Im still shocked by the kids in public schools who were shouting White Power right after Trump was elected. Im like really. 🙄
gmatthewb · 51-55, M
No, I wouldn't give that guy credit for anything. There was this kind of hate long before he was around. Hate against others of different colour or nationality or religion has been around for hundreds of years. It's up to everyone to actually think and stop hating others. But that is too much to ask of humanity.
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@gmatthewb At this present time it is. But there is hope.
gmatthewb · 51-55, M
@Zonuss I don't think there is hope at all. It's just getting worse really. There are attacks in countries all over the world and people looking for new ways to make it a bigger sensation than the last some how. I lost hope in humanity years ago. Eventually (and thankfully) I'll die and won't have to think about it any more. Until then, I will do my best to not hate anyone and accept that we are all equal regardless of our skin colour, nationality, religion or sex.
ZonkeyBalls · 46-50, M
That kind of distance shooting takes some serious practice. Aiming at anything... My accuracy has probably dropped down to one click, depending on the wind conditions. Without a spotter, probably much worse. Donald must have his own private shooting range.
lizzy96 · 26-30, F
@ZonkeyBalls For what reason?
ZonkeyBalls · 46-50, M
@lizzy96 Well, the caliber and the accuracy for Donald to start shooting at New Zealand would take one hell of a rifle. Probably one of the nasty black projects.

Or did you mean my sniper shooting?
SW-User
No directly. But indirectly, the actions he's done and how he feels about immigrants and minorities might give people such as white nationalists and nazis a reason to think it's okay to commit these acts of violence.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@SW-User So when Trump said he wants to bring lots and lots of legal immigrants he was lying?
SW-User
@hippyjoe1955

And yet here you have Trump bitching on Twitter about Fox News pulling Judge Jeanine's show after the host called Rep. Omar's hijab anti-American.

You have Trump who decided not to renew programs that fights domestic terror groups last year.

He downplays the rise of hate groups stating that White nationalism is not a threat after the NZ attacks.

You have Trump referring to people trying to invade the United States as a reason for some wall. It's no surprise that the NZ shooters used the same language, calling the invasion of foreigners a threat to white civilization.

[quote]So when Trump said he wants to bring lots and lots of legal immigrants he was lying?
[/quote]
As long as they're not Muslim of course. Since his administration implemented policies barring citizens of certain muslim-majority countries from traveling to the United States. I must add that these countries weren't even responsible for 9/11.
GForG · 41-45, M
I don't think we can blame him for this one
GForG · 41-45, M
@Zonuss Terrible excuse
PeachesGR · 61-69, F
@GForG I think that every person that helped DT in those families separated, should be tried. If not, please explain it to me. How many are still separated? And how dare anybody who does that be allowed to run?!
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@PeachesGR 🙄
skip2mylou · 31-35, M
I feel he has inspired a lot of people to go forth with such acts through his speeches. He has spread a lot of hate. However you cannot put all the blame on him. These things has happened before he became president.
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@skip2mylou Yes he has. And he does it in a very subliminal way.
But his followers get what he is saying and this is why they are very angry, bitter, and confused right now. I see chaos. 🙂
lizzy96 · 26-30, F
Despite the fact that I hate him I don't blame him, but I do blame Trump for not acknowledging that there is a rise in white supremacy and saying that its just a small group of people that have problems
lizzy96 · 26-30, F
@Zonuss Its just that people see so much Muslims who want to kill they think all Muslims are bad and that all Muslims are spreading hatred, they fail to see that there are plenty of good Muslims out there.
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@lizzy96 Well here in the US the facts say otherwise. Aint nobody here in my area worried about no Muslims. 🙂
lizzy96 · 26-30, F
@Zonuss I'm in the U.S and I'm worried about Muslims and I know there are others who do care so stop generalizing I know its hard not to do so.
GunSmoke9 · 56-60, M
No I don't. Seems you are in a round about sort of way.
GunSmoke9 · 56-60, M
@Zonuss Right, you don't blame Trump, but then do it anyway.
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@GunSmoke9 No thanks. 🙂
DonaldTrumpet · 70-79, M
Deadcutie · 18-21, F
No, trump doesn’t influence other countries idiots
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@HerKing I totally agree. Its like watching a herd of sheep follow one big sheep.
But the problem is this. He is actually a wolf, and sooner or later that costume
comes off. 😛
DonaldTrumpet · 70-79, M
eli1601 · 70-79, M
@HerKing 😂
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
I think you have it about right. It's the individual who must take responsibility for their actions.

No denying though that the far right do like Trump. He entertains many of their conspiracy theories as well as some parts of their worldview. He also declined to outright condemn far right terrorists at Charlotteville. The fact that the actual President of American behaves in this way makes the extreme seem normal and helps the already extreme to become more extreme.

Also noteworthy is that the 'moderate' Trumpsters are also somewhat reticent to condemn far right terrorism these days. On all these posts, their main contribution is to say that the left are worse. It's drawing an utterly false equivilamce between Antifa, BLM and far right mass shooters. Whatever you think of those groups, there is no comparison.

Words have consequences. Conspiracy theories, demonisation of all Muslims and violent rhetoric get normalised by mainstream politics and then permeate the culture via social media which - at the extreme end - creates groups of people who are so consumed by hatred that they cross the line and commit violent acts.
4meAndyou · F
I would say that anyone...anyone at all....who takes the actions of a psychotic killer, a mass murderer, and then conflates them with words they were told by the media were said, that were not really said, is a psychotic themselves.
Adaydreambeliever · 56-60, F
I blame TRUMP for almost everything.. but no, not for that particular incident. I think it's a wider issue and not necessarily about colour.. It's more about religion and beliefs.. Right or wrong there's a lot of hatred out there for Muslims so that's what that was about I suspect.
I also have to say.. that while most of the world definitely despises Trump and think he's an utter un-funny joke of a man.. NZ wouldn't really be that influenced by him.. few people are.. we just think he's vile..
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@Adaydreambeliever White Nationalism is a global agenda being perpetuated from the words and hate speech being spewed from the Trump Administration.
Axelerator · 26-30, M
I read most of that shooters manifesto actually, figured I’d see his reasoninng,, and Trump doesn’t seem have anything to do with it, as far as I can see.

These shootings were based on a fear of western cultures being outbred, by invasive foreigners, specifically the Arabic population in this case, obviously there’s more to it, but that’s the very short version
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@Axelerator Trump's rhetoric has emboldened people to.react this way. You must hold him accountable for that or this will become your own undoing. 🙂
Axelerator · 26-30, M
@Zonuss To be clear i consider Trump to be a stain on the office of the presidency and was sad so see him ever hold office.
But from what i gathered from the reading, he seemed fixed in his thinking, he had travelled to places and somewhere along the way became convinced that his way of life was under attack, that's how he'd put it anyway. It's likely these thoughts would have been in the making even before Trump came to power.

Of course there's no way of knowing for sure, and maybe Trump helped him to reach that conclusion in some way, only the gods know ;)
When he makes his speeches, tweets, and does a photo OP for the news media and as POTUS, he expects everyone to believe him and what he says will influence peoples thinking. And it does and as a POTUS it should. I have seen and heard him say many 'negative' things about people and groups. And I'm not the only one. I think that he really needs to understand that his words can and do influence 'negative' thinking people also.
Primnproper · 56-60, F
fortunately most countries had got to a stage where they didn't voice racism because they were slowly trying to ease it out as they should by educating the younger generations more in school to be more accepting of others from different races or cultures, but Trump seems to have woken the voices in people and given them a platform that it's ok to voice it and it's their right to penalise another human being because they are different and he is affecting the world and not in a good way either. We are seeing the affects here in the UK when it had quietened down considerably.
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@Primnproper You are very right about what you just said here my friend. Words have power. And some of these fools will follow this wolf but it will soon be at their own peril. 🙂
eli1601 · 70-79, M
@Zonuss 😂 👍️
DonaldTrumpet · 70-79, M
Virgo79 · 61-69, M
Only child minds work that way
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@Virgo79 Well it is much deeper than that.
PeachesGR · 61-69, F
I appreciate your honesty, but it's a bit scary to me, that anybody first liked DT, as you said in here, that you did. If you, or all the other people that thought that did just a little studying on him, you'd quickly see that he's gotten money from his dad, (loans & gifts when he was alive, inheritance after death) a little scary.

You'd also quickly find that "You're fired," is just a tagline from a show. You'd investigate as much as you could, and learn he had used immigrants to build for him, so he wouldn't have to pay them as much. So, he's ok with immigrants.... as long as they are willing to work for him. And that many years ago, he was found guilty of keeping African Americans out of his building... in fact, for you, .that should have been discovered very early on. How do you account for that?
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@PeachesGR He was elected because his populism resonated with so many people on all sides. I am very aware of Trump's sins past present and future. 🙂
eli1601 · 70-79, M
Of course you do 😂
SW-User
I think he has contributed to the cause of white supremacy.
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@SW-User Yeah sure.
PeachesGR · 61-69, F
@Zonuss You really need to ask how he's contributed to the cause of white supremacy? That's quite interesting. You missed "sh**hole countries" and "like people from Norway" references?
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@PeachesGR By spreading hate and bigotry in a time where a few in a demographic of people are aware of their I'll fated existence. The culture is in danger so they say. Trump capitalized on their fears.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@joe438 There is a difference between screencapping people making a differen gesture at the right moment, and people actually saluting that fashion. The photos herking posted were not taken out of context.
joe438 · 61-69, M
@QuixoticSoul They were Berkeley students. One side bashes people on the heads with baseball bats and the other side tries to irritate them with Nazi salutes. I'd say that shows a special kind of stupidity.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@joe438 Yeah, one side is behind nearly all domestic extremism in the US - and the other side is the mythical antifa. It wouldn’t be a big deal, if white supremacists didn’t keep killing people 🤷‍♂️
joe438 · 61-69, M
@QuixoticSoul So you're saying the conservative kids from Berkeley have killed people? I wonder why something that big didn't make the press. The mythical Antifa have put people in the hospital from baseball bat attacks.
SW-User
Partly, to a small degree. I think his actions, rhetoric and language must have some effect.
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@SW-User I agree.
DarkMoon · 22-25, M
5-10%.
I'm not sure he "started" anything or that people in New Zealand would take much notice of his words but you can bet far right politicians around the world were greatly encouraged by his success and studied his methods.
And btw, let's not forget how many of them have traceable links to the Russian government.
A lot of people have been pouring gasoline on these fires. He's certainly the most prominent but maybe not the most culpable.
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@DarkMoon Well said.
kayle · 70-79, M
Well he is always bad-mouthing immigrants.
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@kayle Yes. This tone has resonated deeply within his base.
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Zonuss · 41-45, M
@whynottalk Good question. Why does anybody have to like a lowlife hatemonger like uh,
you ? 🤔
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artistinresidence · 51-55, M
donald gives them inspiration.. He gives them voice. he is responsible for his language and he knows it.. it is called "inciting to riot" the white nationalist white supremacist nan fascist movements love him and love what he stands for.
eli1601 · 70-79, M
PeachesGR · 61-69, F
Lack of doing even the most basic homework for the highest spot in the US is what got him elected.... how could so many not lift a finger to check on this total stranger to politics?
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@PeachesGR People knew about his politics. But it didn't matter in the Election..🙂
Virgo79 · 61-69, M
By all these replies I guess Obama caused a lot of shootings here.
Virgo79 · 61-69, M
Of course it couldn't be the same way as now🙄

And I've never disliked anyone because of their color.
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@Virgo79 Thats what you say, but nobody believes you.
You might as well be talking to a tree.
Until you are man enough to tell the difference between right and wrong, then will you be able to stand up for what is true rather than what is a lie.
Virgo79 · 61-69, M
@Zonuss the reason I replied.
Your the one whining a river
4meAndyou · F
Oh, yes, of course, and Ilhan Omar is responsible for the last shooting at a Synagogue. Give me a break.
DonaldTrumpet · 70-79, M
I LoVEZ the 1% of MusliMz witHz MonEYZ
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@DonaldTrumpet This picture is exactly how it is.
DonaldTrumpet · 70-79, M
@Zonuss MakinGz MericaZ GreaTZ gaiNz
@DonaldTrumpet Thiz Guie Iz A CMpLeAte azzJaCk
The individual should be held responsible for his own actions.
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@softspokenman Remember this the next time we have a President who is not a White male.
Thank you. 🙂
No matter what race, color, gender, or creed, "Before he enter on execution of his office, he shall take the following oath or affirmation: I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of the President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, will preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States."
US Constitution, Article II, Section 1

Thank you @Zonuss I will remember.
DonaldTrumpet · 70-79, M
We iZ CrusadeRz
DonaldTrumpet · 70-79, M
@MarmeeMarch DiDZ he cunTacTz #meetOoMeNz afteRz SheZ ASSultez hImz
joe438 · 61-69, M
@DonaldTrumpet Impressive Photoshop work. Obama helped promote Robert Byrd's book - not Photoshopped.

DonaldTrumpet · 70-79, M
@joe438 Nose photOstorRz.
IniZ crsadeRz LoZERZ
Fernie · F
Yep...sure do!!!!
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@Fernie Why.
Fernie · F
@Zonuss when he opens his vile anus/mouth he spews hatred and has ignited the racism and hatred once again in this country and clearly...in other countries...he is a deadly virus spreading across the globe. When white supremacists think you're a white supremacist...that's what you are
masterofyou · 70-79, M
Just who are these Nazi minded people ??? That is a pretty harsh statement, do you have any facts to back that up????
masterofyou · 70-79, M
@joe438 No need to just spread the word civility some day before this turns into a civil war... Because that is where we are headed.. If we are not already there..
joe438 · 61-69, M
@masterofyou There are arguments that our divisiveness in is now as severe as it was just before the Civil War. I'm not sure that's wrong. We're very tribal these days.
masterofyou · 70-79, M
@joe438 Yes it is very very alarming....
Djac17 · 22-25, M
Hell Naw I don't blame him. Anyone who believes that, has fallen for the lies and deception of the liberal media and politicians that are trying anything they can to make him look bad.
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@Djac17 Its not a lie when the idiot says it on camera. 🙂
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
I blame Canada's PM Trudeau. Both he and the NZ shooter have love China's basic dictatorship.
GJOFJ3 · 61-69, M
Definitely not
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@DonaldTrumpet Youre afraid of CNN. 🤭
DonaldTrumpet · 70-79, M
@Zonuss Noze, Jusxt Suckerz PunchIngz the LiberaLz LiArZ
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Zonuss · 41-45, M
@SW-User I just hope your family don't get shot up by a mass shooter. 🙄
eli1601 · 70-79, M
@Zonuss 😂
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Zonuss · 41-45, M
@MarmeeMarch Man, you are dumb. But why should I have expected more. 🙂
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