Is a Gerneral Election the only way to break the Brexit gridlock?

@Pikachu The powers that be were complacent and so out of touch with public opinion that they never considered a leave result was possible... Which in itself is rather worrying.

WTO is the plan and it would be so much better than the scaremongers would let you believe...@Pikachu

It's not an insult when it's the truth I caught you lying and when I called you out you never replied...I'm very calm...when I talk about brexit I put my points of view from facts, but you lie and repeat lies you see on the news or papers and you don't like the fact I know so much more than you....so you have a nice evening while I go out and enjoy myself, as you don't have much of a life..bye@Burnley123

@Platinum Fwiw I have a busy social weekend lined up and SW is something I do to chill. If your social life is as great as your intellect then few people are gonna be jealous. I just don't see soneone with your manners or level stubbornness being that popular for some reason. 🤔

Pathetic attempt , I've got more friends than you will ever have...now run along little boy and play with your toys...wimp@Burnley123

Do you think Brexit will really happen during our lifetimes? @room101 [@burnley]

@jackjjackson Are we splitting hairs over this? lol

Fine, Perhaps you are right, I just haven't seen any news reports about it yet. 🤷‍♀️

😀 @Scribbles

@MartinII both big parties said they would implement brexit and have gone back on their word, who could we trust...

@Platinum Well, to be fair, the government has tried to implement Brexit (not very well, obviously) but has been frustrated by a combination of the opposition and remainers in its own ranks. And the behaviour of the ERG, justified as their arguments may be in substance, hasn’t helped.

My own opinion is that since the referendum result most of them have worked together to stop us leaving and that includes May..why do you think they voted down another referendum vote when most of them wanted one it was in case the people still voted leave and then they would have found it hard to cancel it then.....@MartinII

@midnightoker 👏

That pretty much sums it up. The citizens were simply si k of the “what is” and anything seemed better and still seems better .... @Frank52

@jackjjackson The last part of your comment ('still seems better') I don't see eye-to-eye with you on, BUT you are right in that for many they were in such dire circumstances they used the only way they felt they had to rage against the system. A grave indictment of the state of politics, I'm afraid.

The “establishment” didn’t make a good case and their obstructionist behavior since had made them look worse. @Frank52

@Picklebobble2 I am a Remain voter but I'm a Eurosceptic remainer btw. EU bad, Brexit worse is pretty much what I think. Everything is a mess but something has to give and right now this looks like the only solution.

@Burnley123 For me, this is about [b]Which is worse ? Being ruled by the EU and all that entails. OR, putting your faith;money;trust;pension etc. in the hands of politicians who quite frankly, i couldn't trust if my life depended on it ![/b]

@Braveheart I fear you could well be right.

@Picklebobble2 Thanks Picklebobble, do you sense it too? It's seems to be lawless out there at the moment and we know from the last riots that the violence was caused by people just waiting for any excuse to loot and cause havoc

@Braveheart Insecurity brings out the worst elements in society.
Some may decide to vent their displeasure, but others will seek to gain advantage,and it's [i]them[/i] you don't want to be caught up with.

@room101 That is not an unreasonable point but do you have a better idea?

@Burnley123 The same idea that I've had all along. It's twofold.

1. Parliament to accept the referendum result. Regardless of how disastrous that result was. And to mitigate that disaster by:

2. Parliament to unite behind the government so that realistic changes could be put to the EU on the Withdrawal Agreement. Which was drafted by the EU, NOT Theresa May.

Obviously the staunch Brexiteers won't do this but, in terms of Parliamentary numbers, there are enough Remainers to make it work. I would also argue that there are enough level headed Brexiteers who could be persuaded that a "No Deal Brexit" is the wrong way to go. We've seen that in the recent Parliamentary debates and votes.

@Rhodesianman Thank you for supporting the great multiculturalism of this country and your fellow migrants.

@redredred We were never part of the Euro so never had that problem. A no deal Brexit would though.

You dont need to use the Euro to be holding the bag when the whole crock goes to hell.@Burnley123

@redredred Britain has never had the Euro.

Wrong again Burnsie. Article 50 states:

[quote]The right of a Member State to withdraw from the European Union was introduced for the first time with the Lisbon Treaty; the possibility of withdrawal was highly controversial before that. Article 50 TEU does not set down any substantive conditions for a Member State to be able to exercise its right to withdraw, rather it includes only procedural requirements. It provides for the negotiation of a withdrawal agreement between the EU and the withdrawing state, defining in particular the latter's future relationship with the Union. If no agreement is concluded within two years, that state's membership ends automatically, unless the European Council and the Member State concerned decide jointly to extend this period.
The legal consequence of a withdrawal from the EU is the end of the application of the EU Treaties (and the Protocols thereto) in the state concerned from that point on. EU law ceases to apply in the withdrawing state, although any national acts adopted in implementation or transposition of EU law would remain valid until the national authorities decide to amend or repeal them. A withdrawal agreement would need to address the phasing-out of EU financial programmes and other EU norms.
Experts agree that in order to replace EU law, specifically in any field of exclusive EUcompetence, the withdrawing state would need to enact substantial new legislation and that, in any case, complete isolation of the withdrawing state from the effects of the EU acquis would be impossible if there is to be a future relationship between former Member State and the EU. Furthermore, a withdrawal agreement could contain provisions on the transitional application of EU rules, in particular with regard to rights deriving from EU citizenship and to other rights deriving from EU law, which would otherwise extinguish with the withdrawal[/quote]@Burnley123

@jackjjackson Mate, you don't have a clue. It's a wall of text that does nothing for your point. What is relitugare, anyway?

Article 50 wax deliberately designed to make it hard to leave because it put negotiating power in the hand of the EU.

Yep. The vote was held. Times up. @Burnley123

Best answer sir! @Rhodesianman

@jackjjackson Indenous Zimbabwe people get more cred from me.

@InOtterWords Yeah a Brexit deal really should and that was (and still is) the only way of getting a deal through parliament.

@InOtterWords 😵

@Burnley123 😵😵😵

@Platinum I know what you mean , do they honesty believe that Merkel and macron do not want to trade with us, they would have to go to there people and tell them thousands of jobs are going, because of we tried to teach the UK a lesson in wanting to leave, and other countries goods stuck at docks that they can't sell to us, Ireland prime minister said they would need a loan from EU and thousands of jobs lost, I just can't see how these people think that these countries won't trade with us

@LvChris we are nothing like Greece , they are broke and we are the fifth strongest economy in the world and London one of the top financial capitals of the world...every big country in the world wants to trade with us....