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Is a Gerneral Election the only way to break the Brexit gridlock?

Today MPs voted to extend the Brexit deadline but also voted (by about 80%) not to have a second referendum. May has pretended to offer labour MPs a deal and offered almost nothing, gone back to Brussels to renegotiate what couldn't be renegotiated and failed. Tory MPs voted to have a leadership contest but then voted to (more or less) keep her in place.

Its a PM with no authority, leading a party with no majority trying to deal with a complex historically important issue which nobody in the country can agree on. We can't extend the deadline forever and something has to give. I think eventually there will be some kind of Brexit but not a hard Brexit and nobody will be happy.

The twin truths are that the referendum voted to leave the EU and that there is no mandate to change that. Also that Brexit is more complex than anyone imagined and that it can't deliver what it promised.
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Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@LvChris I'll give the same answer I did to brain bros. What you suggest woukd be better for the economy but a gift to the far right. Compromise is the least bad way out of this.
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Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@LvChris we would look like Greece with no deal for sure. I have a pinned post which says every possible Brexit option would be good for the far right. I posted it ages ago and it's true.

Some things are worse though and what you are suggesting is anti democratic. There are no good options, we agree, but that option would create a Tommy Robinson nightmare.
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Nyloncapes · 61-69, M
@LvChris if you think we would top up like Greece with no deal you really are living in cloud cuckoo land,
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Nyloncapes · 61-69, M
@LvChris they will always need bailing out with money Greece, no body knows what will happen it is just all opinions and views, if EU so great why so many countries struggling Spain Italy, Portugal many more, and mass unemployment , EU not doing much about it
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@LvChris I want Brexit cancelled and wish the whole thing would go away but no.

To overturn a result in a referendum (which was meant to be decisive and binding) you would need a majority in favour of a second ref and at least a 60% remain vote a cross a number of polls. Even to this would not be enough for some people but it is a minimum requirement.

There has been a small shift in public opinion but not decisive. I agree Brexit is really shit and based on lies and posted about this myself many times. Peole have the right to decide though, even if they ate wrong.
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Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@LvChris Calling people stupid is rude and won't convince anyone. They deserve if they are rude. I think he's wrong but he's not a bad person
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Nyloncapes · 61-69, M
@LvChris I don't happen to be a hard line brexiteer and not an idiot , and not sad have a great life, you seem to be a person who if they don't agree with you or have a different view are wrong or stupid
Nyloncapes · 61-69, M
And if you think I take any notice of an American your wrong ,
Nyloncapes · 61-69, M
Another loud mouth arrogant yank who seems to think he is never wrong, as he said just his opinion what will happen like everybody else just opinions
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@LvChris Sigh. The ira have started activities again and lots of people have my sypathies. You are correct on a technocratic sense all the way down. Also the referendum only happened because of Cameron's arrogance and because he thought he would be in coalition with lib Dems (to provide a handy excuse for telling his pro Brexit MPs why he was ignoring an election promise.) Also he didn't think he could lose the ref.

Also, Boris was the star of the leave campaign and a huckster in it for himself. Also, there is emerging evidence of campaign finance violations from the leave side, also lack of national polotical education and right wing print media led to an uniformed choice and so on and so on...Its all bollocks and there is no good solution.

Politicians overturning it would be like saying a referendum didn't matter though. Like cancelling an election. It needs a decisive opinion switch which I wish we had but don't

Edited cos of bad typos even for me.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
Politics is a war and it is always co sequential but its also about connecting with people and building links where you can. Nyloncapes is badly wrong imo but he's not necessarily even right wing and not a bad person. I do like you a lot too but I'm only gonna be rude and try to humiliate the bad people on here. You know who I mean lol.
Nyloncapes · 61-69, M
@Burnley123 when you put a post on here then you should debate it like adults, and respect everybody's opinions and views and not get rude or personal because they don't agree with you on your views and opinions, and they think they are right
Platinum · M
@LvChris why will it be a disaster with facts to how you reached that conclusion ...
Platinum · M
@Burnley123 tell me what lies, I've asked so many remain and they can't answer, facts please...
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Platinum I've talked about lies of the leave campaign many times and you know that.

Money on a red bus or Turkey joining the EU, anyone? Or how about that most of the leave politicians supported the Norway option during the ref campaign?
Platinum · M
@Burnley123 I know what you are referring to, so tell me what lies...the bus was not a lie, it said once we are not paying the eu, the money could help fund the eu, we are still paying and May is giving them 20 billion , so no lie....turkey does not affect us and before the referendum , Norway was not mentioned and in any case how was that a lie.....these are lies..£4300 worse off, immediate recession, house price crash and mass unemployment....they were real lies...
Platinum · M
@LvChris you have not answered my question to you, why will it be a disaster and no one will die on the Irish border...you listen to scaremongers and just repeat their words, there is not a problem with the border as it can be controlled electronically...now tell me about this disaster of a no deal...
Nyloncapes · 61-69, M
@Platinum LV Chris is an American I answered his posts about Brexit and he was insulting and keep calling me an idiot, but had no facts just listening to scare mongers like you said , he will just mute you like me did me, don't have to answer or you see his posts to reply, he is typical of you don't agree with him or have different views and opinions your are wrong and he won't let you see his replies to anyone like a baby throwing his toys out of the pram , not mature or adult enough to debate his posts in respectful way. He is right all the time, very grown up and mature , you can tell by his actions of not seeing his posts , only lets people see them who agree with him , pathetic
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