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An honest question for Republicans.

I just read that most Republicans wouldn't support Donald Trump's impeachment even if Mueller proves he accepted Russian assistance or obstructed justice.

https://www.newsweek.com/republicans-support-donald-trump-impeachment-russian-assistance-mueller-1355656

Is this true? Do you believe the end justifies the means, even if it involves cheating, lying or obstructing justice? Or actual treason...
redredred · M
Meuller has already telegraphed that there is simply no evidence of collusion on Trumps part. This makes your question a bit moot but let me respond to what i think youre actually asking. I support Trump almist without reservation because hecreally is cleaning up a swamp of self-appointed, political elites coming from both major parties that has been selecting our rulers since FDR died.

Bushes going back to Prescott, Kennedys going back to Joe senior and the clingers like the Clintons, the Bidens and all the rest share power in a criminal rotation that has made our republic self-serving for these criminals. Trump interrupts this rotation and he has begun the exposure that could eliminate these bad actors. Thats why they madevupnthis crap about Russian collusion and ignored Hillary's open flouting of the law.

Trump may be rude, crude and "not presidential". So was the last guy I hired to clean a septuc tank.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@SimplyTracie See my posting about ignorant people not knowing they are ignorant. Yes Mueller has sent a lot of innocent men to court and had the sentences over turned on appeal. One case was 9 - 0 in the Supreme Court. The men had served jail time, sued the government and won. If you can call such an injustice a victory.
SimplyTracie · 26-30, F
@hippyjoe1955 You don’t have to convince me that government officials are corrupted. You say someone is corrupted, I have no reason to doubt you.

I wouldn’t doubt that even Trump has done some illegal shit and is corrupted too.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@SimplyTracie Trump hasn't sent anyone to jail unjustly.
I think it is true. I can't tell you how grossly uninformed most all Republicans are. There is an unspoken rule among the ultra-right that says they can ONLY watch FOX or ultra-right wing "news" sites. As long as that is the case--and those sites know it is--they can omit truth, bend it, invent it and they know if their viewers will NEVER look at any other sources to find out what they are putting out is true or not--then they can say anything and it will be believed. When faced with actual facts--that the right wing media omits--the natural reaction of right wingers is to scream FAKE.

In their minds.......what they are hearing is fake--because NONE of the few sources the depend on for propaganda has ever told that what the real facts are. So when you tell them something that is real--for them it's the first time they have ever heard that, so they don't believe it. Since that is the state of awareness of the ultra right---nothing real and truthful is known--and everything they do hear is filtered and/or made up instead----when Mueller proves anything to them factually---they won't believe it.

If you were old enough to remember Nixon, you'd know the answer to your question. The evidence against Nixon was overwhelming. I mean stacks and stacks of evidence of wrongdoing. It was so overwhelming even to Nixon that when faced with impeachment, he knew his goose was cooked so he resigned. After that for 6 months the Republicans in congress--in total denial---kept on trying and trying to bring him back by discrediting what even Nixon knew was true. The GOP has never publicly admitted to this day that the evidence against Nixon was true. The denial----based on the fact that they do NOT want to know what the actual facts are--means if they are told--they will simply deny it as real.
MrSmooTh · 31-35, M
To be honest, yes. The end did justify the means if it occured. But there is no evidence of Russian collusion. What democrats don't realize is Americans meddle in elections all over the world, so why should it be any different for us? But yes I would rather have Trump over crooked Hillary any day. Would Hillary have made the progress with Kim Jong Un that Trump has? Hell no, we would either be at war or kissing his ass. Probably kissing his ass. I like that Trump is putting America first and not being a pussy when it comes to foreign policy like Obama was. Lets just hand Saudi Arabia Billions of Dollars.. The democrats were all for that, but cant set aside 5.7 of a 300 Trillion Dollar budget for a wall.
JP1119 · 36-40, M
@MrSmooTh I bet you’d have been pissed if Russians had meddled in our election to help Hillary win. Meddling in other countries’ elections is wrong when we do it, and it’s wrong when it’s done to us.
SimplyTracie · 26-30, F
@hippyjoe1955 I might have been. After all, we only watched Fox during Obama’s term. Hated MSNBC.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@SimplyTracie I never watch Fox. We don't get it here on cable.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
The question is pointless since Mueller can't find any collusion.
monte3 · 70-79, M
😊. Although I normally dislike argument by meme, this is right on.@anythingoes477
@hippyjoe1955 You know what the Mueller findings are??? Really?? Not even released yet but you know exact what they say. Hmmm?

Or...... you're blowing smoke out of your ass. I'm guessing it's #2.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@anythingoes477 So your criticism of me seems to indicate you do know what is in the Mueller report. Interesting.
TexChik · F
Mueller can’t prove anything . The investigation is a partisan witch hunt . Democrats have been very complicit With Russia, obstruction, tampering , and flat out perjury . Yet not one has been investigated. The constitution does not allow for a lowly partisan investigator to destroy a presidency . If that’s allowed no one can be president and chaos and civil war will ensue . Liberalism is very dangerous ... increasingly so . They lib house just voted to allow illegals ( non citizens) to vote in our elections . That can never be allowed to happen .
BelEsprit · 26-30, F
I remember how the conservative, Christian, Republican members of my church would lay claim to higher values and insights that "eluded the godless liberal Democrats". I'm not sure why it took me so long to realize that all the "principles" they've espoused through the years have actually been nothing but tactics -- cattle prods to move their 'followers' along.

And for the ones STILL bringing up HRC to blame for their willful ignorance re: their support for trump, Republicans had the Presidency, the House, the Senate, the Supreme Court, the Attorney General and yet they STILL couldn't find Clinton guilty of any crime. There was no reason on earth they couldn't have charged, convicted, and "locked her up". The fact they couldn't speaks volumes.
DonaldTrumpet · 70-79, M
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BelEsprit · 26-30, F
@Razorback 💋
HerKing · 61-69, M
It isn't so much asking an honest question as more getting an honest answer for the Republicans. I wonder for instance how they'd have reacted if Obama had put his daughter and son in law in the WH and they didn't qualify for security clearances, but the security services who oversee them were over ruled by Obama?

After all, there's a perfectly reasonable explanation as to why Jarad has financial help from the Saudi's and Trump has gone easy on them...
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They would be outraged at 90 percent of what Trump does if Obama did the same. @HerKing
JP1119 · 36-40, M
I’m a Democrat, but fwiw I believe that yes, they would still support Trump for several reasons. In no particular order, conservatives believe that their leaders are always right as long as they’re being conservative. Also, lately they seem to think anything is justified if it’s necessary to defeat the Democrats. Notice how many of them still supported Roy Moore after he was caught doing sex things with minors. Similarly, in my home state of Missouri many still supported former Governor Eric Greitens after he was found to have cheated on his wife, stripped some woman naked and took pictures of her against her will and threatened to publish those photos if she told anyone. Remember how Trump said he could shoot a man on the street in broad daylight and not lose any supporters? Yeah, he wasn’t kidding. That’s how Republicans roll these days.
GJOFJ3 · 61-69, M
@JP1119 you wrote:
"Notice how many of them still supported Roy Moore after he was caught doing sex things with minors."
Really, he was caught doing sex things with minors?
I wasn't aware of that!
HerKing · 61-69, M
@GJOFJ3 He did it when they were teenagers and he was in his 20s and 30s. I think the justification was it's normal in AL.
GJOFJ3 · 61-69, M
@HerKing I was questioning your "caught". He was accused just days before the election, not charged, not convicted, not "CAUGHT".
Doomflower · 36-40, M
Not a Trump supporter but I know some who will support him no matter what and some who will change their minds.
unknownpoetx · 36-40, M
they will vote even against their own interests because they are too stupid. for example, massive tax cut for the billionaires will increase the taxes for all the other people, including the ones that voted for trumpshit. that and many other things. they are blind by their own stupidity.
redredred · M
As JFK showed, tax cuts for the productive segment of the economy actually increases tax revenues Unless youre too stupid to understand basic economics.@unknownpoetx
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StevetheSleeve · 31-35, M
I think pushing people on impeachment hypotheticals is a waste of time. If Mueller has damning evidence the answer is likely to change for many.
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QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@Razorback And how exactly are they doing this?
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QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
If there is one phrase to describe modern republicans, it's "they fall in line". This could be seen when they flip-flopped on many of their most long-standing principles the moment Trump got nominated.
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whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
Sadly it is a large factor in politics in America that being a winner doesnt mean you have to be on the side of right. Trumps deals are littered with people he has cheated and done down. I am not blaming Trump for American politics here. I am blaming American culture for Trumps ability to thrive in the environment.
SimplyTracie · 26-30, F
@whowasthatmaskedman I’d say
Trump won bigly if he was able to change that culture instead of wallowing in the muck like he is.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@SimplyTracie But the muck voted for him. (No offence to Trump Supporters. I mean the politics of hate , division and Despair with the system)
SimplyTracie · 26-30, F
@whowasthatmaskedman That’s True
OK ill be the dummy - exactly was russia doing for DT ? - what did they do exactly to get him elected ?
JP1119 · 36-40, M
@MarmeeMarch Not all of them but enough of them. I don’t mean that blacks are dumber or more gullible than other races, I think that probably any race would have fallen for tricks like that at the same rate. Russians targeted blacks because blacks have a strong tendency to vote Democratic.

What’s not wrong with that? What good thing would an ad like that be trying to accomplish?
@JP1119 Its just tactics - dirty pool -but i dont see it as illegal unless it violates some election law that i am not aware of.
JP1119 · 36-40, M
@MarmeeMarch If nothing else the Russians paid for it. I’m pretty sure we don’t knowingly allow foreign governments to buy ads in our elections.
UserNameSW · 46-50, M
He was right when he said people would support him as a murderer.
realrare · 51-55, F
I think if the law went after all lying and cheating and obstructing I'd be okay with it IF they found something. But the fact that someone bleachbit evidence, smashed phones, lost emails and DIDN'T get into trouble... I'm guessing it would be unfair to prosecute anyone for doing the same or less that that other person....
Firegod74 · 46-50, M
I’m not an American, but Canadian politics isn’t that different. We spend so much time and effort interfering with other countries politics (aka Venezuela), that I don’t understand why we are up in arms when outside forces interfere here.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@Firegod74 Like the democrats helping get Trudeau elected and the Canadian liberals in Canada campaigning for Hillary in the US.
Firegod74 · 46-50, M
@hippyjoe1955 Yup. We are in the middle of a global economy, of course nations of the world want to influence the partners we deal with.
I think Americans should be concerned if suddenly Russia backs off and doesn’t give a shit about America. That’s when I’d be nervous.
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SimplyTracie · 26-30, F
@Razorback Time for Trump to unleash his Justice Department and investigate HRC’s crimes. No one is above the law and should be punished for any and all crimes.

Why do you think Director Wray hasn’t brought any changes against HRC? 🤔
HerKing · 61-69, M
@Razorback Do you recall how Trump campaigned on the rant "It's a rigged election"?

He was right. Only people wrongly assumed he meant against him, not for him. Hidden in plain sight.
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LonelyMan · M
With all the hatred for Trump- if this investigation had anything significant against him- it would have been used already! It's just a colossal waste of time and $ from sore loser liberals.
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Harriet03 · 41-45, F
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DonaldTrumpet · 70-79, M
I didn't think we'd see an "honest answer" to all of that, but I'm a little disappointed that no one bit on the very first point about accepting assistance.
GJOFJ3 · 61-69, M
Here is the most telling findings to me from the article
"For Americans overall, those figures were 46 percent supported impeachment of accepting assistance (31 percent opposed), while 47 percent supported impeachment for obstruction (31 percent opposed)"
I believe the reason for this is an inherent distrust of Mueller and his investigation.
@GJOFJ3 I may have missed it but what is your point that no one believes what Mueller is finding? In both cases you listed for impeachment nearly 1/2 of America favors him being impeached and only 31%--the same 31% that has been his core group all along--doesn't. Prior to the ongoing announcements of ever new indictments all along the way the ones that were against impeachment was in the 40 percentile range. he now has barely 31% against the idea. Doesn't look like mistrust of Mueller to me.
GJOFJ3 · 61-69, M
@anythingoes477 if they trusted the investigation that favorable number would be well above 50%. 35% believe he should be impeached just because they hate him.
@GJOFJ3 Still missing your point. It's now nearly 50% belief in Trumps guilt.... based just on the growing number of indictments. How would anyone believe in what Mueller has found out when what he's found out hasn't even been released yet?

By saying no one trusts in the findings I find that a baffling statement. How would they..... yet?
beckyromero · 36-40, F
They wouldn't support impeaching Donald Trump even if the Kremlin awarded him the Gold Star.

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They should change the name of the Republican Party...they only exist now to enable Trump’s crimes.
Nazis don't care about right or wrong, only power.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@HungJury I suspect it has gone even beyond that. Now it is every Representative for themselves. To Hell with principles.
Tastyfrzz · 61-69, M
In time it will all come to an end. The staunch believers in Trump will be good soldiers till they die. But, they will die, and just like the statues to the Confederate generals all of the accolades to Trump will come down. All records will be corrected. History will win.
Zaphod42 · 46-50, M
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QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@SW-User 😂

There's a progressive under your bed right now!

 
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