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xRedx · M
@QuixoticSoul That's my point, the premise the people here saying is that it is okay to commit crimes as long as they contribute to the economy. I understand that's good but they're here illegally and that's a crime. Anyone who supports them supports criminals, plain and simple.
Lmfao the wall isn’t gonna do shit. You really wanna play a contest of how deep people can dig tunnels? Not to mention 50% of illegal immigration is from over extended visas, not some random people hopping a fence. The only thing a stupid ass wall is gonna do is exasperate foreign relations with Mexico and get laughed out of every summit/un conference
SW-User
@QuixoticSoul But I feel much better about myself if I can look down on a whole class of people. Facts be damned!
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@QuixoticSoul Yeah, that is all Mexicans are good for, in your opinion.
Ynotisay · M
I do not support funding for the wall. For a number of reasons.
I do support immigration laws but, unfortunately, the focus now is on poor people escaping violence and poverty. They don't make up the majority of those trying to get in. What it's about today is creating a "brown" enemy. It serves the Divide and Conquer strategy of a con man. Screw that.
I do support immigration laws but, unfortunately, the focus now is on poor people escaping violence and poverty. They don't make up the majority of those trying to get in. What it's about today is creating a "brown" enemy. It serves the Divide and Conquer strategy of a con man. Screw that.
Pherick · 41-45, M
lost213 · 46-50, M
@Pherick if they are worried about the taxpayers paying for the abused government aid. why dont they go after the US Citizens who abuse them? i see that alot where i am from and also where i have been. and let me tell you immigrants are the least of our worries in that category. lol
Ya know, the problem with Nancy's statement that the "wall is immoral" is that, in the abstract, its just a wall. Barriers make sense in some places. Funding Donald Trump's wall, on the other hand, I find pretty morally objectionable, because I find him pretty morally objectionable for any number of reasons.
Honestly, with "actively enforcing immigration laws" its almost the same thing. Laws should generally be enforced, just like they should be revised at times. But Trump is just, IMO, really not the guy you ought to pick to enforce any laws. The fact that the administration admitted it was deliberately separating children from parents to deter immigration and then tried to walk that one back kind of tells you that there's something wrong with the process.
I know the Anti-Trump thing gets boring, and I'm pretty sure your question was meant to avoid talking about the man, as opposed to some of his policies, but in this particular case, its pretty hard to separate the two.
Securing the border and reforming the immigration system are valid political goals, and could be the basis of a bipartisan effort. But the "wall", Trump's prioritizing it to the point of shutting down the goverment for a month, and lying about the nature and causes of the crisis are, in my humble opinion, unacceptable, [i]especially[/i] when backed by threats of subverting Congressional authority if a co-equal branch of government doesn't give him what he wants.
I honestly don't mind if he tries to sell the wall tonight, and I'm innured to his constant lying enough to overlook a lot of that. But, if he stands in that House Chamber and says, if you won't give it to me, Congress, I'll do it without you, well, lets just say, I'm going to make sure there are only pillows around to throw at the screen.
Honestly, with "actively enforcing immigration laws" its almost the same thing. Laws should generally be enforced, just like they should be revised at times. But Trump is just, IMO, really not the guy you ought to pick to enforce any laws. The fact that the administration admitted it was deliberately separating children from parents to deter immigration and then tried to walk that one back kind of tells you that there's something wrong with the process.
I know the Anti-Trump thing gets boring, and I'm pretty sure your question was meant to avoid talking about the man, as opposed to some of his policies, but in this particular case, its pretty hard to separate the two.
Securing the border and reforming the immigration system are valid political goals, and could be the basis of a bipartisan effort. But the "wall", Trump's prioritizing it to the point of shutting down the goverment for a month, and lying about the nature and causes of the crisis are, in my humble opinion, unacceptable, [i]especially[/i] when backed by threats of subverting Congressional authority if a co-equal branch of government doesn't give him what he wants.
I honestly don't mind if he tries to sell the wall tonight, and I'm innured to his constant lying enough to overlook a lot of that. But, if he stands in that House Chamber and says, if you won't give it to me, Congress, I'll do it without you, well, lets just say, I'm going to make sure there are only pillows around to throw at the screen.
bijouxbroussard · F
walabby · 61-69, M
bijouxbroussard · F
@xRedx And that means just as many Republican-run businesses (including Donald Trump’s) are “supporting criminals”. Of course, there [b]is[/b] a difference between trying to help others improve their lives vs. exploiting desperate people to improve one’s business.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
WJC actually correctly refers to them as illegal aliens. The correct legal term on the books. @SheCallsMeCrushDaddy
In 2006 3 notable Democrats espoused a wall to halt or stem illegal immigration. Obama (then a Senator), Chuck Schumer (then a Senator) and Hillary Clinton (senator too, I believe)and a number of other Democrats were in lock step with this idea. About time the Gov't at least attempted a serious approach to border security. My question is: Why the turn around by these people?
Pherick · 41-45, M
@soar2newhighs Actually we didn't go back and forth, you said something based on an untruth, which you couldn't or wouldn't back up. You were never arguing, you were just whining, and whining about things which are untrue, so thats even weirder.
I love your cute little dig there that you have better things to do, its adorable and totally what someone who was really important would say. 🤣
I love your cute little dig there that you have better things to do, its adorable and totally what someone who was really important would say. 🤣
lost213 · 46-50, M
Who cares if imigrants come into America... hell thats what this country is built on and by. Maybe not what the guys who formed our government had in mind but none the less our country is made up of so many cultures. If you are not Native American then you are a product of Immigrants. So if you want to rid this country of foreign people start by buying your own plane ticket out. If not then I say shut the fuck up and let the people come. The more the marrier! Bienvenido's!
lost213 · 46-50, M
And what way is that? Sit back and wait for an invitation while their family starves or worse? Many of the imamgrants that came before just showed up as well many were illegals before they became citizens. And I don’t blame them. I’d rather they be here “illegally”, than in their country trying to avoid violence and starvation. Sure there are some that come to cause trouble.( drug smugglers etc.) but the majority of them are just looking for a better life. And what right does anyone have to stand in the way of that life. Nobody!
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@xRedx There is no “correct” way for a lot of these people, so we basically put them into a position where they have nothing to lose by coming over illegally. Worst thing we can do is deport them and they’ll be right where they started.
If there was a realistic path to immigration, they’d actually have something at stake. But as things stand, they don’t.
If there was a realistic path to immigration, they’d actually have something at stake. But as things stand, they don’t.
cheesenpickles · 26-30, F
cheesenpickles · 26-30, F
@MarkPaul BINGO
monte3 · 70-79, M
This exactly my point! @cheesenpickles
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@xRedx “More” has no ceiling. There is always “more secure”. You have to be proportional.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
xRedx · M
Hopefully this can bring sense into some of you people. If it doesn't, I don't know what to say
[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDjQxDydCo0]
[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDjQxDydCo0]
xRedx · M
@SW-User If that's your premise, then anyone is entitled to break the law at the expense of cheap undocumented labor. Is that really what you stand for?
xRedx · M
@SW-User now see, talking with reasonable, lawful solutions is good. Some exist like work visas at the moment by the way. But these people seem to support criminals and pay their bill as well
lizzy96 · 26-30, F
no, studies have shown we have more us citizens who are criminals than mexicnas
MarkPaul · 26-30, M
The government of Mexico as promised (and chanted). Otherwise, no.