Why does Vince Cable have to be so boring?

@AndrewtheAlu because they have to bash capitalism......and there's hardly any politician who wants to stop that gravy train.
TTIP should be mentioned by brexiteers every single time because it's a very good point....but they can't because it exposes naked capitalism and that the wants of corporate power override the wants of the public.......whereas as hard-core brexiteers want a version of that.

I would say Labour's version of brexit is the least damaging initially and leaves open the door for genuine socialist policies (renationalisation of energy, water, public transport. A progressive tax policy especially business, closing down of tax loop holes which can be done overnight etc etc).

I'll be honest, I think our domestic policies will have more of an impact than brexit but I don't want to see future governments hands tied by either no deal or mays deal

@gol979 as you’d expect as I’m a Green, I’d trust Labour more after Brexit than I would the Tories. I would support all of the things you’ve listed I think. But I don’t think there is a rule to prevent us doing those things while still in the EU? Even if it isn’t what other EU nations do doesn’t stop us doing it.

Regardless of that though, Labour aren’t in power, and are extremely unlikely to win a general election or even get one to happen in the first place. With the tories in power it’s likely that Brexit will result in us being even more TTIP-y than the EU would be. Isn’t it better to stay in, and help reform the EU away from TTIP rather than falling out and ending up with even worse? Besides, it’s not been approved yet. As members we would have a veto power over it anyway, whereas if we leave, and they approve it, we end up with both the USA and EU pressurising us to do all the things that TTIP involves, and the moment the tories get in they’d have all the foreign support. We’re better off trying to prevent TTIP in the first place.

@AndrewtheAlu TTIP has been put on the shelf, for now, because citizens were protesting it. But it will come back again.

I agree the Tories are a shit show and pretty much any deal/status quo and they will, and are, fucking over vulnerable and normal people.

There are powers to stop state aid under competition law. So any radical changes, which is what are needed, will be canned by this regulation. And that is while we are in the EU.

Greens have a lot going for them, I hope that they garner way more seats in the next general election

@Nyloncapes well they are party running on one policy.......2nd ref. No wonder he doesn't want a general election

@gol979 his party finished with clegg and the lies about tution fees , never came back from that

@Nyloncapes not finished.......apparently everyone wants a 2nd ref so the lib dems should flying high in the polling and members, oh hold up, nothing has changed with them.....go figure.
Also, Sir Vince privatised the post office for a massively cut price offer for the capitalist vultures. Hence the knighthood 👍