IF A Fetus Is Not Human Life...

Dead things don't grow. Has a human being given birth to anything other than another human? The slave analogy is correct.

Whether it is life or not at that point, it will be life. In a lot of cases, abortion is just a get out of jail free card. You get to fuck up, and not be safe, because you have that to fall back on. So in general, morally, it probably shouldn't be legal. Excluding rape victims.
Having said that, if a person is willing to stop that life from happening, do we really want them raising a child? That child is probably doomed, yeah? I'd rather it never have a chance to live than stick it with parents that don't want it. The latter is devastating.

You are good Abrienda! I have not read the comments, but I am sure the sparks were flying about this one. Abortion is a topic that pains me greatly. As far as I'm concerned, a zygote is human life. It is alive, and it is human. It may only be a single cell, but it's a single cell containing human DNA.

I can accept some justifications for abortions...mother's life at risk, rape/incest. But I have a hard time accepting abortion as a justification simply to terminate an unwanted pregnancy - which is by far, the most common reason given for abortion. Pregnancy is so easy to prevent. The truth is rarely told, most unwanted pregnancies occur because no birth control was used, or it was used improperly.

There are those who justify abortion at different points in time during the pregnancy. Some believe it's ok very early in the pregnancy, while others are comfortable killing the baby at any time as long as it hasn't left the birth canal.

Some feel that abortions are justified until the baby is viable. And viability to those means that the baby can survive outside the womb. But can a baby really survive on its own outside of the womb? A baby still cannot feed itself, clean up after itself, or protect itself from the elements...that still requires human intervention, be it the womb, the mother or someone else. I cannot justify it in my mind, but I understand the law even if I don't agree.

But the hypocrisy can be stunning. There are those who think nothing of destroying a fetus. And who could be more innocent? But some of these same folks oppose the death penalty even for the most evil killers in our society. A very difficult subject.

It's sad that it's only counted as a life when it's wanted. The same people who make the laws legalizing abortion, with a flick of a pen, claim double murder when a pregnant woman is killed. It's either a life or it isn't.... and anyone who says it isn't is fooling themselves or is a straight up liar.

[quote]but should have the courage (and moral bankruptcy) admit they believe a "fetus" has no more claim to existence than a cyst that needs to be removed[/quote]

Minus your value judgement, i'm perfectly happy to admit that.

You're wrong in your definitions though. A fetus IS a human. It has human DNA.
But it's not a person and therefor has no rights, much less rights over a woman's body.
Furthermore, even if it WAS a person (and it isn't, we can debate that if you're up for it) then it STILL doesn't matter because no person has the right to make use of another person's body against their will.

So, if a fetus must be carried to term because all life is sacred, do you also insist that once born it should be guaranteed health care, food, and shelter so it doesn’t end up dead anyway? All life is sacred, after all.

Most abortions occur before the potential baby is a fetus. The morning-after pill for example destroys what is simply a cluster of undifferentiated cells. An early abortion, which most are, kills a zygote. It is too early for it to be called a fetus. I don't consider this to be killing a human as at that stage it is not a human but only a potential human.

I commit mass murder every day when I have a wank. Every sperm I spurt onto my chest had a chance at becoming my offspring - until I wiped it off and flushed it.

Later stage abortions are rarer and not typically seen by anyone as inconsequential. They usually occur because the fetus is not developing properly or because the mother's health is endangered. An actual life has to take precedence over potential life.

I still don’t understand why the father gets no input.

I disagree about it being illogical. Pro-lifers are the illogical ones. Supreme Court has already ruled that taking away a woman's rights to provide the fetus special rights is unconstitutional. Bodily autonomy. If you need me to explain why it is illogical, then I will. If you were a father and your child needed a kidney to survive, should that Father be forced to donate the kidney? I wish people would stop using the term "illogical" to promote their own illogical point of view.

@VSonMe Ah yes simplistic ... from one of the top minds in...?

I am quite happy to let people who were not aborted when they were just a cluster of cells read your confused attack against my exegesis on the illogic and hypocrisy of the pro-death oh sorry pro-abortion or SORRY pro-choice "argument" which you failed to address...for obvious reasons

Please, please your insecurity is showing, Just go write a check to PP...make yourself feel good about yourself. Maybe the local PP clinic you donate to will send you a pair of these for Christmas as a way of expressing their gratitude...in case you don't know they are Embryotomy Scissors used to cut off the heard, arms and feet of a cell cluster when its being aborted...maybe you can hang it on the wall in your front room above the TV or fireplace...or give it to your son or daughter when they are born? After all it may have been your money that paid for them, "proud" donator to PP.

And remember...by all means be proud of what you have funded.

Fetus - an unborn offspring of a mammal, in particular an unborn HUMAN baby more than eight weeks after conception.

Humans beget humans. Seems pretty simple.

I have known medical professionals who provided abortions as part of a larger comprehensive OB-GYN practice. Not a single one framed abortion as anything other than killing a fetus.

I have also known women who have received abortions. Not a single one framed abortion as anything other than killing a fetus.

Fetus is fully developed baby .. it’s same like an egg of a hen .. if the egg of a hen does half way when u keep in incubator it’s half made baby same is with the featus u can’t say it’s a piece of tissue

@VolpeTredici There is of course adoption. Many Americans go to Africa and Asia and Russia to find babies to adopt...there seems to be more than enough Americans ready to adopt these unwanted children. It is THERE that government and Church should focus money and efforts...instead of funding abortion why not fund adoption?

I agree!!!!! Abortion IS wrong

I respectfully disagree.