What's the state of Brexit, Brits?

@SW-User as I said you will never answer. Just use deflection you so derided in myself.
Again, you are arguing with your own internal narrative about what you think I am saying. The cognitive dissonance is flabbergasting.

How is that response related at all to my previous post?

@gol979 somehow in thought replying personally to accusations might be wise.


Sorry, you are right and I'm wrong. THAT'S deflection, learn

@SW-User ok Travis bickle.

Are you saying I haven't responded to your accusations? Apologies if I've misunderstood.

Again, what populist movement were you referring to?

@Picklebobble2 Do you remember the form for voting, it was very brief:

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Many people hardly bothered to even consider what little information was provided by the media and preferred to watch endless episodes of Eastenders and Coronation Street.

Brits are now paying more attention and more information is available to make an educated decision on which way to vote.

They are,in general, not worried about the points you raise above and just want an end to all of this, that the status quo should remain.

The bottom line is that it is all a mess and getting worse.
How do you see a solution?

@Nimbus Folk are worried because our politicians sound and look like they have no clue.
They argue soppy points rather than come up with a clear strategy.
And the more they debate and argue, the more those with E:U business interests run scare stories about possible shortages that will come our way if we leave !

Some of the stuff Michel Barnier and Donald Tusk have been spouting has come close to insult.

It's a nonsense.

The fact is we have to leave and make a democratically elected government responsible for it's own people.
That means strategy for employment; for care; for economic decisions made here at home not in Brussels.

Just as every other government has to.

@Picklebobble2 I agree, it has been handled badly and that one should expect better from those we elect to represent us!

Your second point is open to debate as one could argue one way or the other.

[quote]The fact is we have to leave
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But do we?
Do we not have the right to change our minds until it is too late to do so?
Should we not let the people make a final decision?

This section taken from the Washington Post sums it up well:

[quote]Whether or not it gets a new leader, the Conservative Party faces four options. The first is to push the prime minister’s deal through Parliament, but for now it seems to lack the votes for that. The second is to try to break the logjam by calling an election, but this would pose a risk that the Labour Party, now firmly rooted on the far left, would take power, so the Conservatives are unlikely to go there. The third option is to leave the E.U. without a deal. But this would risk such chaos — empty shelves in supermarkets, 20-mile traffic jams at new border checks — that most Conservatives won’t want that, either.

The fourth option is a new referendum. This would be cumbersome to organize and uncertain in its outcome, but at least it might deliver a sense of closure for the nation. The parliamentary process has generated a compromise that is pleasing to no one. If it is implemented, Brexiters will spin a myth that they were betrayed by bureaucrats and Eurocrats and the establishment writ large: Their populism will grow even more poisonous. A second vote would give the Leave camp an opportunity to vote for a cleaner break with the E.U., even if it comes at the expense of Ireland. It would also give Remainers a chance to make the argument for solving the whole Brexit problem by staying in the E.U. Then the nightmare would be over.[/quote]

She should resign she has lied and lied and gave false promises, we still in customs uñion, and now it's worse we can't get out till eu say so and that is never happening. And no way can we strike our own trade deals, she should be hung,

@Nyloncapes The truly annoying thing is that these talks took two years and were largely secret so opposition figures never got the chance to dissect whatever was agreed prior to the document being released yesterday.

I like the idea that payments stop immediately but the UK has clearly been played in terms of time left for any other ideas to be discussed and implemented that would suit everybody better. Given time left before we leave.