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Leftists HATE Facts Part II: Trump "Overrides" the Constituion By Executive Order!

On a post I read here Leftists went insane as usual over "threats" that your President Trump was about to "ooverride the Comstitution" by executive order. Of course facts never being their best quality when I asked what exactly that meant they replied President Trump was going got "repeal" the 14th Amendment by executive order and violate the Constitution.

Sigh...


Being a soon to be European I am amazed how little American history must be taught anymore to Americans while we in the Philippines had MANDATORY classes in the subject. The author of that post did not know your Constitution was passed before your Bill of Rightd and that they are separate documents but wrote the impeachable "crime" President Trump was about to commit was against the 14th Amendment. Of course he did not read or bother to reseach what exactly President Trump intended nor anyone else who posted there excepto yo. It took 10 minutes.

President Trump (doesn't it just drive Leftiies CRAZY when I use his proper title?) wants to ban birthright citizenship which he says correctly is not protevted by the 14th Amendment. The 14th Amendment was wrtten to enfranchise Black-Americans who the Democrats wanted to deny full rights as Americans - like voting their former slave-owners asses out of office. Since then it has been interpreted that ANY child born in the United States is an Amerocan citizen even if the parents are not. The result is what I saw advertised in the Philippines and is much bigger in China - birthright tourism...a pregnant woman from outside the USA comes to the United States and births her child there. In China agents provide complete services....doctors, lawyers, a place to stay and everything for about 15-20,000 USD. This means American CITIZENS are actually paying for the children of NON-CITIZENS (who also stay in the USA of course...hear all that "we cant seprate families" trash from Democrats? Thats what that is really about!). It also means that IF before 9/11 Osama bin Laden had made sure each of his wives gave birth here all the children of Osama including his son who took over when daddy was killed would have been US citizens.

Is THAT what the 14th Amendment was all about?

If you think "yes' then here are the words of the man who wrote the "citiznship clause" in the 14th Amendment -

"This will not, OF COURSE, include persons born in the Unted States who are foreigners, aliens who beling to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers."

Sen.Jacob Howard, Republican

The words 'of course" show that every REASONABLE and INTELLIGENT person knew that. Unfortunately he never met a modern Leftist.

What did Democrats used to think about this issue? How about this -

"If being an illegal alien wasn't already easy enough, how about offering a reward for being an illegal immigrant? No SANE country would do that, right? Guess again!"

Sen. Harry Reid, Democrat

The Democrats now, of course are all against this. Their entire purpose is and always has to gain and hold on to power and are willing to do anything - from requiring US citizens to pay for the services to their children so their parents will from gratitude for allowing them to scam the system vote them it office to treason against the United States to make it so.

In fact what Presdient Trump proposes is RETURN the 14th Amendment to its ORIGINAL meaning. Pity Mr. STOut who accused me of being a "foreigner" who "wanted to overthtow our constituion" didn't have the time to find that out ... okay it really took me 30 minutes to do.


BTW...isnt someone referring to me as "a foriegner who wants to overthrow our constituiton" ironic when I am the one arguing for the United States to PROTECT its citizenship rights? Oh well I only do what Putin pays me to do - another idiotic accusation I have read.

Oh... and isn't calling me a "foreigner" in a negative way kinda...I dunno...racist?
SumKindaMunster51-55, M Best Comment
Great post Abrienda. You always bring the heat and never back down.

Excelsior!
Abrienda26-30, F
@SumKindaMunster NEVER! Backing down is what allowed the Nazis and Communists to take over. It will/is happening now. As someone with anti-Communist and Jewish heritage in my background I fight both...and the two are really the same.

CopperCicadaM
The man's actual language was "eliminate birthright citizenship". That covers via jus soli and via jus sanguinis.

If the intention is to restrict [i]jus soli[/i], that's one thing. It would be a historical and cultural shift as most of the Americas, not just the US, recognizes jus soli (right of soil) citizenship. For historical reasons.

Countries who restrict jus soli typically limit citizenship to children with one citizen parent. Or one parent with permanent residency. That would not be acceptable in the current cultural climate.

At the same time restricting jus soli in this hemisphere is not without precedent. I know Colombia does. Probably others.

If the intention is eliminating jus soli, then we're going like India. Which isn't a shame as they are the largest democracy on the planet. The eliminated jus soli ages ago because of continued migrations from Bangladesh.

That may be the best thing given a future with climate refugees.

But we have to be ultra clear and just saying abolishing "birthright citizenship" is of course going to flip people out.
CopperCicadaM
@Abrienda Well. Cultural integrity is something to be taken seriously.

I suspect that means something different in different places.

I'm not sure what it means in the US given the cultural diversity we have.

I do know we have been having this same dialog since my ancestors came to America in the 1880's.
Abrienda26-30, F
@CopperCicada You don't think you have an American culture? Really? And of course you do know what E Pluribus Unum means? I don't mean to be facetious - a former Democrat vice-president and recent candidate for president didn't.
CopperCicadaM
@Abrienda No where do I say there is no American culture.

I just think diversity means something different here. Than perhaps a society that is very homogeneous.

To be clear-- I think creating diversity artificially through lotteries and the like is misguided and unfair to everyone.
KnightRanger56-60, M
You are quite right! Here are two interesting essays on the subject:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2015/08/birthright-citizenship-not-mandated-by-constitution/

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/not-hard-read-14th-amendment-not-requiring-birthright-citizenship-and-nothing-odd/
CopperCicadaM
@KnightRanger Jus soli (right of soil) is actually part of English Common Law. That's where we get the notion. Not as much from the constitution.
KnightRanger56-60, M
Yes, the contributions of English Common Law (as well as why they do not really apply here in the U.S.) are discussed in the first of the two articles I linked.
CopperCicadaM
@KnightRanger I am all for limiting jus soli like most of the world outside this hemisphere. Or perhaps eliminating.

It does make we ponder my own family's trajectory in becoming Americans.

They just by hook or crook showed up at Ellis Island. Demonstrated they had no infectious disease and could work. Boom. They were Americans. No lengthy application process. No sponsor. No test. No lottery.

Jus soli. Americans because they made it here.

I understand and accept jus soli needs to be modified. Especially given our seeming inability to secure our borders.

But I can't help but apply that retroactively in my mind to my own family. Sure. It was the 1880's. But still. I'd feel less of an American if we got rid of jus soli.
katielassF
Doesn't it crack you up to see the very ones who whine and complain about putin are the same ones who are doing his dirty work for him. And for free, too. The same ones who had a love affair with communism, putin's background, for the entire 20th century. Useful idiots doesn't even begin to describe them.
Abrienda26-30, F
@katielass How about USELESS idiots. According to my father the Soviets didn't like them, either.
katielassF
The dumdums change their opinion on issues depending on their current political needs. These days they realize all too well that they need a new underclass to take advantage of, for future votes, because the blacks are slowly leaving them as they wake up and see how they've been used and abused.
Lila1522-25, F
Read the Wong Kim Ark decision and get back to us.
Lila1522-25, F
@OggggO Trump University
Abrienda26-30, F
@Lila15 "Us"? Interesting choice of pronoun,"us"... as in "we who are working together"? I thought it strange that you all arrived in sequence...kinda like cold symptoms. Well if it takes your "us" to deal with me...then I will remember not to treat you as an individual but as member of a pack of...lets see...jackels? Hyennas> WEASELS! That's it!
Lila1522-25, F
@Abrienda Oh, please. I'm not working with anyone. If George Soros wants to write me a check to post stuff for him, let me know who to call.

I follow the Politics thread on SW; it's not hard to figure out why I'm here.
therighttothink5056-60, M
https://www.conservativereview.com/news/levin-paul-ryan-was-dead-wrong-on-birthright-citizenship-heres-how/
I love this and yes we dont learn much about our country in school 馃檪
Abrienda26-30, F
@Duckduckgo That's cause Leftists do not want you and new comers to know how great the United States is.
OggggO36-40, M
Got any sources for those statements?
Abrienda26-30, F
@OggggO Which if you had you would have seen I was right and could have then quietly crawlled back under your rock without making an even bigger fool of yourself than usual.
Abrienda26-30, F
@OggggO Yes...when will YOU realize that?
OggggO36-40, M
@Abrienda A person born in the USA, and who is not the child of individuals exempt from the jurisdiction of the United States, is themselves not exempt from the jurisdiction of the United States. Being born in the country and subject to it's jurisdiction, they are therefore citizens, regardless of who specifically their parents were. Which is exactly what it says in the amendment.
river5270-79, M
soooooooooooooooooo true !!!!!!!!
samueltyler280-89, M
Wow, I can't really figure out what you do stand for. I guess having diverse beliefs and interests is healthy.
Lila1522-25, F
@unearthed You misunderstand what a sanctuary city is. It doesn't mean illegal immigrants get a free pass. What happens is, when a local police force arrests someone, they check if they're here illegally, and if they are, they notify ICE to come and pick up the person. A non-sanctuary city will keep the person in custody, after their release date, until the ICE agent can get there; a sanctuary city will release them on their release date even if the ICE agent hasn't arrived. So basically, non-sanctuary cities are acting as an arm of the federal government. Believe it or not, this bothers some people.

Do you think we should nationalize all city and state police forces and place them under federal control? Because that would solve the problem.
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Lila1522-25, F
@unearthed The federal government enforces immigration law, not the states or local municipalities. Different jurisdictions. Remembert that the United States is a federal republic. The states don't enforce federal law.

Again, if you want a national police force instead of local police, just admit it.
SevIsPamprinYouAlways56-60, F
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Abrienda26-30, F
@SevIsPamprinYouAlways Oh its NW's alter-ego! Thanks you need one.
SevIsPamprinYouAlways56-60, F
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Abrienda26-30, F
@SevIsPamprinYouAlways Northwest's other user account...never comments, only sends idiotic pictures. The Left at its intellectual finest!

 
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