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So if requiring a photo id to vote is supposedly racist

Is every other thing you need one for like purchasing acholol, driving, getting a job, entering a government building etc also racist. Funny every time the it's racist criers get asked that they don't answer
Graylight · 51-55, F
[b]Here's an example:[/b] In his wallet, Anthony Settles carries an expired Texas identification card, his Social Security card and an old student ID from the University of Houston, where he studied math and physics decades ago. What he does not have is the one thing that he needs to vote this presidential election: a current Texas photo ID.

For Settles to get one of those, his name has to match his birth certificate — and it doesn’t. In 1964, when he was 14, his mother married and changed his last name. After Texas passed a new voter-ID law, officials told Settles he had to show them his name-change certificate from 1964 to qualify for a new identification card to vote.

So with the help of several lawyers, Settles tried to find it, searching records in courthouses in the D.C. area, where he grew up. But they could not find it. To obtain a new document changing his name to the one he has used for 51 years, Settles has to go to court, a process that would cost him more than $250 — more than he is willing to pay.
[i]https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.a228d6576a44[/i]

Many people don't need ID because they're obviously of legal age. Others don't use ID. Many merchants don't require ID. Look, the information on the discriminatory bent behind voter ID laws has been provided to you. If you're going to argue the point, argue the actual points.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@Mountainlady16 Actually no state fully cooperated, the opposition to the power overreach was widespread and bipartisan. The most memorable quote actually came from Mississippi and its republican SecState - “go jump in the Gulf of Mexico”. But I’m sure you think Mississippi has something to hide.

States actually take vote security reasonably seriously, which is why about half joined ERIC and more are on the way. CA is in the process of applying, even.
Mountainlady16 · 22-25, F
@QuixoticSoul see than there's no way to know if there's truly voter fraud going on.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@Mountainlady16 That was just a silly way to go about it - Vice Presidents office just doesn’t have the oversight or capacity. DOJ and DHS are continuing the work, and states are always at it too. There are rules about how this information moves around.

In the grand scheme of things there almost has to be voter fraud due to sheer numbers of individual votes, but it’s nothing like people try to pretend it is, most of it is not in-person anyhow (people voting for their elderly parents with dementia, etc), and it doesn’t happen in the absurd numbers Trump throws around.

For example, you probably think that millions of illegal immigrants voted in California, where Trump lost by four million votes. But if you actually look at how our elections are structured, it’s pretty obvious that nothing like that can happen without blatant collusion from California Republicans.

And also, there is just no motive here for anyone. If you were going to be cheating, you wouldn’t do it by four million votes, that becomes impossible to hide. And what have you gained? The state is already reliably blue by a huge margin (there are more registered independents than registered republicans in CA). The states where cheating is most likely are the battleground states because that’s where it can potentially pay off. But nobody worries about voter fraud in PA, etc for some reason.
SW-User
Okay, let's require a photo id to vote. But let's also give every person a photo id so that they can vote. Deal?
Mountainlady16 · 22-25, F
@QuixoticSoul yeah my local dmv isn't that way but when my husband and I changed our licenses to TN when we lived with my grandparents for a year a few years ago it was a 3 HR wait
SW-User
@QuixoticSoul @Mountainlady16 I think the main problem is that ththe dmv's are in need of an upgrade Lol
Mountainlady16 · 22-25, F
@SW-User and in the case of Chattanooga more than 1 for a
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
The problem seems to be that many people simply don't have a photo ID and many states make it hard to get one. I've got NO problem with photo ID if there is a reasonable program for distributing them. Ideally -- every local town election office should have them available. problem is, they don't, and in some places poorer people, invalids, etc., are expected to travel hours to get one.
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
@ChipmunkErnie Oh, one of the arguments is that in most places a photo ID is a driver's license, which are held normally by people with a reasonable amount of money, but the very poor often don't have cars and so no driver's license and therefore no photo ID and only limited access to other kinds of official photo ID. At least that's the argument as I understand it.
Mountainlady16 · 22-25, F
@ChipmunkErnie true same here in my state we have 1 dmv for multiple counties.
Xuan12 · 31-35, M
Don't forget, the president said we also need it for grocery shopping.
Xuan12 · 31-35, M
@Mountainlady16 Of the video.
Mountainlady16 · 22-25, F
@Xuan12 it's showing no video here
Xuan12 · 31-35, M
@Mountainlady16 Okay. Plug this link into your browser then.

https://youtu.be/XgSm0jT4U88?t=28
windinhishair · 61-69, M
As long as photo IDs are easy for people without vehicles to obtain and maintain, there is no problem with it. The issue in many states, as several people have pointed out, is that it is used to proportionally suppress votes that would presumably be democratic votes. It is the voter suppression that is racist, not the act of showing voter ID.
Mountainlady16 · 22-25, F
@windinhishair but there's many reasons for id besides driving a car
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@Mountainlady16 Yes, and the same problems exist for people to obtain them. Make it easy for people .to obtain and maintain IDs, and the issue will largely go away
Mountainlady16 · 22-25, F
@windinhishair true I think ids should be free permanent and issued automatically at a certain age like 14 or 15
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
Y'all again are reframing the issue and don't actually listen to the arguments and what was actually meant by it:

[quote]One widely cited 2006 study by the Brennan Center found voter ID laws, for instance, disproportionately impacted eligible black voters: 25 percent of black voting-age citizens did not have a government-issued photo ID, compared with 8 percent of white voting-age citizens. And a study for the Black Youth Project, which analyzed 2012 voting data for people ages 18 to 29, found 72.9 percent of young black voters and 60.8 percent of young Hispanic voters were asked for IDs to vote, compared with 50.8 percent of young white voters.

One reason for these kinds of numbers is disparate enforcement — polling officials, perhaps driven by racial biases, appear more likely to ask minority voters for an ID.

But minority voters are also generally hit harder by voter ID laws and other restrictions on voting. For example, since minority Americans are less likely to have flexible work hours or own cars, they might have a harder time affording a voter ID or getting to the right place (typically a DMV or BMV office) to obtain a voter ID, rely more on early voting opportunities to cast a ballot, or require a nearby voting place instead of one that’s a drive, instead of a walk, away from home or work.


Similar issues could apply to voter purges. Vanita Gupta, president of the Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights, previously explained: “Here’s how the government will use voters’ data. It will create a national database to try to find things like double-voters. But the commission won’t be able to tell two people with the same name and birthday apart. Such errors will hit communities of color the hardest. Census data shows that minorities are overrepresented in 85 of the 100 most common last names.”

For civil rights groups, the new restrictions and efforts call back to the days of poll taxes, literacy tests, and other rules that were imposed to block minorities from voting until the Voting Rights Act effectively banned such laws. Like modern voting restrictions, the old laws didn’t appear to racially discriminate at face value. But due to selective enforcement and socioeconomic disparities, they disproportionately kept out black voters.[/quote]
Mountainlady16 · 22-25, F
@basilfawlty89 funny I remember going with my Nana whose white to vote in 2016 and having to run out to her car to grab her license cause she forgot it. In strictly enforced states like GA and TN everyone has to show ID to vote. My Nana's friend was prevented cause she had an our of state ID which is to prevent people from voting in multiple states
lorne13 · 61-69, M
Requiring photo id to vote and then making it difficult for some people to get it has been used to stop them from voting in some places, Google it
Mountainlady16 · 22-25, F
@lorne13 y don't they have an ID in some states that requires a photo ID you can act be arrested for not being able to produce one
Fernie · F
spoken like a true racist
Mountainlady16 · 22-25, F
@Fernie no spoken like a person who believe that everyone should have a state ID
Fernie · F
@Mountainlady16 no kiddo....your post is pure racism
Mountainlady16 · 22-25, F
@Fernie how's that because I believe that you should have to prove who you are to vote
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
Those are priveleges, not rights, for one.

Btw, this is also why you don’t need to show ID for private gun sales.
4meAndyou · F
I wouldn't worry about it. 8% of our population are political activists, and 25% of our population will repeat anything they are told like brainless parrots.

The racist card is always played by people who are too stupid to think of legitimate reasons for objecting to everything done by the current administration.
Mountainlady16 · 22-25, F
@4meAndyou right they just parrot what shumer, waters and pelosi sayd
Everything is racist just like every white person is a racist
@Mountainlady16 same but according to them they aren't because they aren't white
Fernie · F
@Duckduckgo Blacks didn't go to another country, murder, beat, rape and kidnap an entire group of human beings, drag them away from their families and lives to another country as slaves where they were bought and sold and killed and beaten. Just look at what whites are doing to people of color RIGHT NOW!! In my opinion...that "racism" blacks and other people with non white skin feel towards white people is VALID!!!!! The racism whites feel against those folks is pure arrogance...thinking they are superior to everyone else. Whites started this whole nightmare and are keeping it alive and well
Mountainlady16 · 22-25, F
@Fernie if you look at the history of slavery you will know that slaves existed in Africa before whites came there. That Africans sometimes even their own chiefs sold them into slavery and that both whites and blacks and even native American owned slaves
PikachuTrainer · 26-30, M
I tend to just ignore those dregs, shame these "everything I don't agree with is racist" managed to get into the gene pool.
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JarJarBoom · 41-45, F
don't have that problem here, we have mail-in ballots.
Mountainlady16 · 22-25, F
@sunsporter1649 did one of your candidate die while running that act isn't unusual sometimes the spouse will take their place or after he wins they'll be a special election
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
BEWARE -- In at least one state there a SLIGHT problem with mail-in ballots: The ballots very correctly say "Postage necessary" or "Affix postage here" or whatever, BUT NEGLECTS to tell people the ballot is so heavy that it requires TWO stamps, not just one, so thousands of the ballots ended up in the dead letter dump for insufficient postage.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@ChipmunkErnie And military personnel serving in war zones are not required to affix postage to mail, so the goddamndemocrats toss those ballots, too.
FreeSpirit1 · 51-55, F
Everything is racist
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
Vote early, vote often.

 
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