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I tend to think that if you are an American and you’re completely at odds with an entire political party, you’re probably wrong somewhere...

So what are some issues that you agree with in the opposite political party from which you normally vote?

For me, being conservative, I believe in many liberally social issues. I uphold the rights of LBGT, I believe in equal opportunity, I’m pro-choice (although I would choose life) and I absolutely, without a doubt, believe in human-driven climate change.

***Americans only please. This post is a challenge to find common ground. Any insulting will be swiftly deleted.***
beckyromero · 36-40, F
[quote]For me, being conservative, I believe in many liberally social issues. I uphold the rights of LBGT, I believe in equal opportunity, I’m pro-choice (although I would choose life) and I absolutely, without a doubt, believe in human-driven climate change. [/quote]

For me being a Democrat, I also "I believe in many liberally social issues."

But there are positions on economic and foreign policy concerns which [b]some party officials[/b] have drifted too far away from what I considered acceptable.

As such, I did [b]not[/b] vote for Obama and [b]would not vote[/b] for Bernie Sanders or Lizzy Warren if they were offered up as the choice for president. Note that doesn't mean I'd vote for Donald Trump either, who I consider [b]completely morally unacceptable[/b], even though I agree with him on some issue.

[quote]So what are some issues that you agree with in the opposite political party from which you normally vote?[/quote]

I can only state the stance on some issues that were favored by most Republicans [b]pre-Trump[/b], since Trump has co-opted the Republican Party.

Here are some of my positions which were favored more by Republicans than Democrats.

Gulf War II vote - in favor (this was also Hillary Clinton's position)

Increased military spending - in favor

2nd Amendment protection re: guns - generally in favor

Death penalty - in favor

Lower taxes - generally in favor (particularly for middle and lower wage earners)

Iran nuke deal - opposed (which was the position of more Republicans than Democrats)

Obamacare - opposed (I oppose the individual mandate; however, I favor a single-payer health insurance system)

Increase domestic oil production - in favor (because I want us completely independent of Middle Eastern oil and the problems it creates)
HannahSky · F
@jackjjackson I don't read his posts or interact with him, too negative.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
Roger that 💂🏼‍♂️ @HannahSky
HannahSky · F
@jackjjackson 😂 💂
redredred · M
Im a libertarian. I agree with the rational elements of both major parties. The tiny piece that represents is why l like very small government.

The core of what l believe is "Initiate no force or fraud upon another"

Then leave me the fuck alone.
GardenSage · 36-40, M
@LeopoldBloom lol... so you’d rather me join YOU? Governments proven to fail and upset the masses???

Nah thanks... I’ll stick to my “unproven” method of independence, liberty, and self accountability.


The “it’s not proven” cliche is another feeble fear-mongering tactic...

“Trust our proven-to-fail government instead. You don’t need liberties, money, or self accountability... those are all big scaries you see because nobody has ever tried it. The rich don’t want the masses to be able to achieve things on their own.”


Read “The Tao Te Ching” by Lao Tsu and realize that libertarianism is an idea that’s over 3500 years old.
@GardenSage So you're a philosophical free-loader. You take advantage of the benefits of government, while claiming to oppose it. And while some governments, notably authoritarian ones have failed, the less authoritarian ones continue to survive and even thrive. The ideal system seems to be regulated capitalism.

I have read the Tao Te Ching. Lao Tzu isn't advocating libertarianism. He's recommending a less coercive government. And China has never been libertarian at any point in its history.
GardenSage · 36-40, M
@LeopoldBloom you really need to put me in a box don’t you... lol. Identify the contrarian and insult him.


You’re truly pathetic.
Alisha · F
I have an honest question. I am not rich by any means and sometimes work 60 plus hours a week. Yes I make decent money so I am no longer paycheck to paycheck and have a little, less than 10,000 in savings. I say all this to set up the question. Why the higher taxes on only wealthy? Are the wealthy supposed to pay for everything? France tried that an lost a lot of their wealthy residents. Isn't that counter productive to getting people to work harder and make more money?
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
That’s the socialist plan. Make everyone the same and not reward initiative. @Alisha
Alisha · F
I tend to agree. It would seem like being punished for making more.
Budwick · 70-79, M
[quote]So what are some issues that you agree with in the opposite political party from which you normally vote?[/quote]

Not as single one.
Democrats are at least consistent.
Consistently wrong.
Not a single on of their programs has ever worked.
Nothing they propose is a valid, American ideal.

Look at the candidates agendas!
There is nothing positive for America or the people.
They're all trying to spend more than the other guy to enlarge government.
redredred · M
@Budwick Aw cummon, dont you remember when the war on poverty eliminated poverty? And the war on drugs eliminated drug use? And how about winning the hearts and minds of the Vietnamese? Remember? Remember?
Budwick · 70-79, M
Even though I'm a far-left Democrat, I think gun control is a waste of time. There are far too many guns in circulation for any restrictions to have an effect, so I'd go along with the Republicans on this issue. That being said, I think the Republican party is in the pocket of the NRA, which has turned into a lobbying arm of the handgun manufacturing industry. So I don't think the GOP's motivation here is anything more than pleasing their corporate sponsors. But the end result is the same.

Personally, I wouldn't have a problem with registering my own guns and being licensed, but realistically I'm not sure that would have any effect.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
The liberal kind 😂? @Budwick
@jackjjackson Full auto with unlimited rounds isn't available. I'm not advocating loosening the gun laws.
@Budwick Haven't what - registered my guns? No one has told me to.
I also agree with Donald Trump that China has been taking advantage of us. But the tariffs are not the way to address this. We would need an international coalition to have a real effect, and Trump is literally the worst person to put anything like that together.

Elizabeth Warren has advocated a form of protectionism, by the way.
redredred · M
@LeopoldBloom Get back to me when you think we've got enough government.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
That sounds just fine to me. @LeopoldBloom
@redredred We're not even close. We have way too much regulation over social issues, and way too little over business.
Been a Republican since 2000. Have only voted for a Democrat twice since then.
I'm still for private sector unions, social security,Medicare and Glass-Steagal.
GardenSage · 36-40, M
What’s Glass-Steagal?
@GardenSage Basically it keeps banks from speculation, investing in questionable ventures. Had Glass-Steagal been in place, none of the financial nonsense of the 2000's would've happened.

 
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