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Do u believe that White privilege actually exists ? 💡

For example. If an officer stops a person of color they are 3 times more likely to be harassed or shot by a cop. Or discriminated against. Or charged and given a higher life sentence for the same offense. You've seen how race has become an issue over the past few years especially in the US. Do you believe that white privilege exists.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
People are wrong to take this personally because its a systemic critique.

If I am a middle income white guy from a middle income background, it doesn't follow that I have fallen into that position. Even moderate success requires hard work. However, I have had advantages.

Just look at the numbers. Any numbers. Then tell me why there are different patterns of outcomes based on race and class.

The people hating on this post are wrong to either:

1) Take it personally. Its not about you and advantages you have inherited are not your fault. It's about looking at systemic problems so we can look for systemic solutions.

2) Name outlier examples to prove that white privilege doesn't exist. 'But Obama...' Well yeah but he is the only non white president in American history. Also, there have been zero female presidents and only one Catholic. The rule matters more than the exception. If anyone thinks that a black man could have bragged about grabbing p🙀🙀🙀🙀 and still got elected then they are kidding themselves.

A lot of people hate the idea of white privilege because they see class as more important but the point is that both are important. To believe otherwise is to fall for a divide and rule tactic which only benefits the rich and d powerful.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@Burnley123 You hit the nail on the head, Burnley. It doesn't diminish what a white person is able to achieve, nor does it excuse minorities from lack of achievement. It does help explain why we see differences in class and race achievement as a whole.
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@Burnley123 This the the most raw most honest and purest answer I have seen on this post yet. Good job. 😌
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Zonuss Thanks man.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
No because when you dig deeper you find they refused to take their hands out of their pockets, rushed the cop, refused to show ID, or many other things. Skin color has little to do with it from the law enforcement side. It may be reverse racism causing civil unrest and them having to deal with the consequences.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@MarkPaul thanks for all the privilege. Try not to let the winners of the world get you down.
MarkPaul · 26-30, M
@MasterLee You mean winners like those who declare bankruptcy 6 times, get married 3 times while cheating on their wives, who lie about a wall being built when it's being repaired, who claim to be for law-and-order and then do illegal things while claiming to drain the swamp while they promote corruption? You mean don't let those winners get me down? Okay...
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CountScrofula · 41-45, M
White privilege just means your problems are caused by reasons unrelated to your race. It's a shockingly simple concept people love to pretend to be confused by.
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@CountScrofula Do you want a doggie biscuit. 🙂
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@Zonuss I mean, duh.
MarkPaul · 26-30, M
Are you saying my accomplishments are not genuine because my skin color is white?
MarkPaul · 26-30, M
@Zonuss No, I'm not.
MarkPaul · 26-30, M
@Pikachu I think I have privileges, but I don't think anyone handed me anything or that I haven't earned my way (with the help of others).
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@MarkPaul Nobody here is blaming you for being a success. ☺
Yup, and so does white guilt, white rage, along with reactions to all of the above, which can cause their own problems and feed the fires even more.

IMO, we don't live in a race neutral society, and while it might be nice if we did, pretending we've gotten there already is pretty simplistic and as toxic as blaming everything on racism.

We have racial, religious, economic,educational, and host of other social and cultural divisions, which I think shouldn't be ignored or exploited.

Police brutality and sentence disparity are not just racial problems, but ignoring the racial component is foolish and makes things worse.
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@MistyCee I think police brutality is becoming also a class warfare issue too.
@Zonuss no doubt, but talking about class in American politics is problematic, even if it's accurate.

Each side blames the other for class warfare, everyone wants to think they're "middle class" and the whole Marxism thing gets mixed in as well.

Talking about the 1% is talking about class, just like talking about coastal elites, and blacks, etc., but there's baggage to our language, and some reasons for political correctness, IMO.
Kevin19 · 22-25, M
Everyone is born/given situations. Class/money privilege is probably a much bigger factor as far as success in life is concerned.
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@Kevin19 Affirmative action was created because of the results of White privilege.
Kevin19 · 22-25, M
I was simply answering a question as far as what advantages a person has. That is an advantage. @Zonuss
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@Kevin19 But not necessarily a birthright privilege. ☺
SW-User
I believe true evil really exists.
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@SW-User I never said White people are evil. 😊
SW-User
@Zonuss Nobody is suggesting that you did ;)
St0ut · 51-55, M
For this one particular example you state yes. But you are not mentioning the amount of money given to kids of color that is not available to white males.

Goto a science museum. Count the number of black families that are there bs Asian and white. Museums must be racist.
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@St0ut Sounds like an escapist argument. You act like Whites are the only racists in the world. Mexicans, Blacks, Native Americans. Asians. All demographics have some sort of prejudices or another. But we live in a White Supremacy Colonialistic society. Systematic racism is far different than just having personal prejudices.
St0ut · 51-55, M
And there we go ladies and gentleman the racist Just showed himself.
“You whites”. When the entire time I have been starring inclusiveness into various activities and institution
It’s “you whites”.

Take some responcibility for your own thoughts and actions
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@St0ut That is responsibility. Which is why I explained to you in plain details. But since you are so narrow minded and irrational I wouldn't expect for someone who is on the offense like you to understand. 😊
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SW-User
@whynottalk And I'm not wrong that your lack of education is showing.
daisymay · 51-55, T
@whynottalk No, it isn't.

The burden of proof is on you, sweetie. Give me the link to the well-cited study that you're getting your information from and I'll review it.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
Of course it exists, and has existed a long time. It is hard to claim that being white doesn't give you an automatic advantage in the US.
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@windinhishair Interesting.
Serenitree · F
Oh, yes. It does. Even here! Not nearly as bad, but it's true.

And then, because it is known to happen, when a black man gets stopped anywhere because, it is usually is a man and it usually is a black one, the guy is sure the cop is going to give him a hard time, there's an attitude of "WTF NOW?" And there off to the races. The cop get offended and so makes assumptions about the person's guilt, immediately, and becomes extra aggressive, and from there, it escalates. Even if the black man doesn't say anything, but gets an aggrieved look, exactly the same look, I might get, if I were stopped for any reason, because he's black, and male, he will be presumed to have a guilty reason.

However, it's not just black men that piss the cops off when they get angry at being confronted. They really hate getting dirty looks. And in truth, it's really hard not to give cops a dirty look when you get stopped, no matter your gender or the colour of your skin. In general, cops have a dirty job, and even if they go into the profession for the right reasons, it's not long before they become jaded and frustrated.

It truly is a vicious cycle. Cops expect the worst from certain demographics, and therefore behave accordingly, and because cops behave more aggressively with those demographics, they react accordingly.

[i]Please, note. I'm not talking for anyone els here. These are not statistics I'm quoting, nor am I repeating things I've read, or heard. This is my own personal opinion, based on personal observation and talking to victims of police prejudice.

And I'm talking about my own small corner of Canada; nowhere else. You may disagree, and I won't argue, as I haven't experienced anything, anywhere else. [/i]
SW-User
I think the groups of people you can't criticize are the ones with all the privilege and sway in society. Doesn't have to relate to race necessarily either.
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@SW-User But that doesn't change the fact that racism still exist.
SW-User
@Zonuss Correct. It does exist and it shouldn't! Some of it is considered okay though. I'm talking about the hatred of white people and it being okay to hate white people and say terrible things about them and also to make assumptions about them without knowing them. No one will care if people say shit like kill all whiteys on twitter. Either its all ok or none of it is okay. I prefer the latter.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
Certainly not. What is completely ignored is the reasons the person was stopped and the reaction of that person to being stopped. My instinct is to get along with the police and try to help them do a thankless job. As a result I have not had so much as a traffic ticket for over 40 years. A friend of mine has difficulty with police and I watched him get his face smashed into his truck door when he refused a simple lawful request by the police.
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@hippyjoe1955 Everybody that gets along with cops are still mistreated or abused. Unaware and uninformed you are I assumed. 😊
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@Zonuss Do you read what you post? Does it make sense to you? It sounds like gibberish to me.
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@hippyjoe1955 Thats because your mind is gibberish. ☺
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Zonuss · 41-45, M
@Rattlesnake How many times have you seen a White person kill another White.
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Zonuss · 41-45, M
@Rattlesnake Again, what we think isnt always as it is or seems.
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Zonuss · 41-45, M
@AgapeLove Benefit and privilege are two different things.
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meJess · F
I believe that people react differently based on their race or culture and that may bring them into conflict with other people. Then neither side looks inward, both expect more and worse next time, and unfortunately more and worse is what seems to happen.
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@meJess Fair point. But sticking your head in the sand changes nothing. 😊
meJess · F
@Zonuss Exactly, each side has to look inward and consider how their behaviour is interpreted by others, but it seems that they are encouraged to do the opposite and expect the other side to conform to them
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@meJess Its not about conforming. Its about accepting reality. 😊
I guess it depends on what you call white privilege.

Some seem to see it as something granted, given. Like special rights or privileges.

I don't see that as true.

However of we see it as the freedom from certain hassles and troubles, then that's certainly true.

I don't worry about a lot of things others do.
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@CopperCicada Good point. And much of this is unconscious behavior.
Yes but its not like they get away with everything. I get harrassed by police regularly & I look like every ethnicity but African.
@Zonuss Police target every ethnicity, they give nearly everyone problems.
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@DarkCrazyArtistGeekGamer So are you saying racism doesn't exist?
@Zonuss Never said that. Its well & alive. They just concealing it.
uncalled4 · 56-60, M
I think that divide and conquer exists.
uncalled4 · 56-60, M
@Zonuss Good question.
SW-User
@Zonuss What more can you do but bring light to the truth and then get persecuted for it.
SW-User
@uncalled4 It has always existed. Look how the world has been carved up and continues to after many pay the price.
IWasCallingYaLarry · 26-30, M
No I do not. I definitely do not have any special treatments for being white lol.
IWasCallingYaLarry · 26-30, M
@Zonuss I don't mean me. I am not in college. I mean because of other white people who do get rejected for college applications or job opportunities to fill a diversity quota. I'm not a victim at all in that sense. If you are trying to say my life is easier just because I have a penis and am half white, then you're a fucking idiot. My family constantly struggles with trying to not lose our house and we all put money into keeping it together. We just lost one of our cars because of not being able to get a new expensive part for it. How does that sound like privilege? You think they'll give us a part because of being white? That's absolutely ridiculous. Maybe you should stop spending too much time on tumblr and maybe you'll actually be able to get a glimpse at reality. Stop using your feefees as your facts because feefees don't mean anything.
IWasCallingYaLarry · 26-30, M
@Pikachu You should stop spending too much time on tumblr and actually look at how other people's lives are. Mine is the opposite of privilege. My family is poor and we always have to worry about trying to not lose our house and hey one of our cars just crapped out. Don't have money to get another one. Pretty sure they won't just give us one just because of our skin color. Life doesn't work that way. Sorry. Not sure where you're from, but in America, that just doesn't happen. You don't know the crap that me or someone else has to go through in life. You made an ass out of yourself by even assuming so. Name 30 ways and tell me, someone you don't even know, how I am privileged. Oh wait you can't because you SJWs don't evee have proof for anything. You just like to use your feelings as facts. Or your feefees as I say.
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@IWasCallingYaLarry I never said all Whites benefited from White privilege. So making a generalization was not what I was doing. I think you are unaware of how systematic racism operates. The elites know bats like you are.too naive and clueless as to how this operates. So you will watch networks like Fox News and talk like a parrot. Repeat after me. I'm not a racist. In.not a racist. Derp))))) 🐦
Adaydreambeliever · 56-60, F
I don't really understand the term.. but all the things you say are true; not opinion, not conjecture but fact, so something is clearly very wrong.
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@Adaydreambeliever Its having a certain privilege or better treatment based on race.
Adaydreambeliever · 56-60, F
@ZonussIt's a term I have heard a lot but never really understood exactly what it means and what it involves.. I am wondering though, whether it's not so much white privilege as that just plain old racism, which is not being acknowledged means that black people are still being mistreated.. SO not so much that anyone is privileged just that others are being targeted and treated badly.
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@Adaydreambeliever Well I feel that if a White person benefits from a certain privilege not on their own choice or intent that does not make them a racist.
luckranger71 · 51-55, M
Yes. No question.
Catzgano · 31-35, F
No I don’t.
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@Catzgano Explain.
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@summersong Thank you for your response. 😊
check · 61-69, M
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@check Because...
SW-User
The phenomenon exists, but the term has been abused by both sides.
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@SW-User Explain.
SW-User
@Zonuss African-Americans deal with shit I don't have to, but the term implies that not being treated like shit is "special" and there is something wrong with you for not being subject to racism. The right uses the excesses of leftism to paint too broad a brush to avoid admitting that racism still exists.
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@SW-User I agree. Its a deflection to just downplay something that we see every day.
Graylight · 51-55, F
Over the past few years? Since its inception.

Yes, white privilege definitely exists. It's why laws like affirmative action have been needed. It's why vastly more black people sit in jail for drug offense even though drug use is roughly equal among blacks and whites.
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@Graylight If only more people were bold and daring enough to tell it like it is like you. ☺
Thevy29 · 41-45, M
It exists here in Australia.
lorne13 · 61-69, M
DonaldTrumpet · 70-79, M
TRumpsZ privilagEZ
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If that's all there is to go on, no. I've been criminally mistreated by cops as well
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@ImperialAerosolKidFromEP Well you're not that smart then. Trivialization is only an excuse.
@Zonuss so... police discriminate against coloured people [i]and[/i] dumb people?
DonaldTrumpet · 70-79, M

 
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