I know a man lives there, Blue collar worker voted for brexit. was VERY exicted about hs New Job working at the big new port that closed because of Brexit. he said he had no idea that kind of thing would happen
Leaving the EU spells the end of the "booze cruise" and cheap cigarettes from Europe. The government will also finally be able to abolish workers' and basic human rights. UK citizens will loose the freedom to travel to or live and work in EU counties. Ex-pats. who have retired to EU countries, such as Spain and France, can be deported back here. There will probably need to be a hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic. The service industry in Gibraltar will suffer extreme labour shortages as Spanish nationals currently working there will no longer be able to. The cost of living in the UK will almost certainly rocket.
I expect there will be a few downsides to leaving the EU but the benefits I've listed will more than make up for them.
@bhatjc ?? all the more reason to get ppl to think critically for themselves so that they can judge whether or not the yelling commentators actually have any solutions, or are they simply selling anger, dissension, etc., and doing a grave disservice to the country.
@ididntknow The UK office for National Statistics shows that overall Britain paid out £15.5 billion into the EU during 2018,the year OP posted this.If you have any evidence Britain received over a billion a month please post it here.This is my evidence and it is easily fact checked with Google.
As a yank, I don't feel qualified to say much, except for the racist vibe, I agree with "Britain First" and other similar groups. I'm sick of seeing multiculturalism destroying the charm of countries all over Europe. If they can pull it off, I would like to see England free of the EU all together.
@milkymum1 I'll say the same thing I said in the PM. I am a 'nationalist' and a 'patriot' I believe multiculturalism is like an invasion of a country. It destroys a country's autonomy and culture. It is a cancer that is sweeping the west. I believe diversity is strength, but immigration without assimilation is a big problem. I am tired of people who hate us moving here and taking advantage of our kindness with no good intentions whatsoever.
1) Britain's economy, no longer integrated into the EU, will probably take a huge hit from loss of financial sector perks which allowed London to become a financial superpower. This hurts income and thus taxes and thus govt services and also employment opps.
2) It is undoing the unification of Europe by removing a cornerstone country.
3) It weakens Britain by again casting Britain as alone, as it was between the fall of France and 7 Dec 1941...
4) Most importantly it is due to a surge in right-wing nationalism...which we supposedly defeated in WWII. This is dangerous, ppl, and we know what it looks like.
@SomeMichGuy 1, yes also from manufacturing 2, it did to start with but the eu 27 have stayed togther and if anything stronger and as one were our government (i use it losely) cant agreee on anything
3, yes we have already lost a standing around the world and more as we are seen to be wanting wanting wanting but not prepared to give anything 4, well put and very scary as people who voted have brought back all the rasisum hatred and policitons dont undertsand what normal people go through
@SomeMichGuy the way its going the markets, jobs, the pound its all waiting for tm to make a descion and not kick it down the road again which is all she does.
Definitely bad! Bad for jobs. Bad for our economy. Bad for culture. Bad for our standing in the world.
people liked to blame Europe for all our ills but it actually gave us more than we gave to it when you took into account the benefits to business and jobs and research and diversity.
Yes, around 17 million people voted to leave ... but then around 17 million voted to remain ...and somehow that seems to have been forgotten.
@EnglishLitLover I disagree with your last point. On the contrary, as I see it the government is doing its best to implement the decision of the majority while giving as much weight as possible to the opinions and wishes of the very large minority. An extremely difficult task, of course, but an honourable objective, I suggest.
As for your four “Bads”, three are certainly arguable, but I have never understood the argument that leaving the EU might be bad for culture. I can’t see why it should make any difference. Would you care to elaborate?
@milkymum1 why do you need, a bunch of unelected bureaucrats in a foreign country running your country ? Telling you, how many immigrants you must take, how powerful your vacuum cleaner and hair dryer can be, and you have to pay for the privilege, The EU is nothing but a gravy train
@ididntknow oh my go back to "The Sun and others like that"
the UK after WW2 signed up to international agreement to take in immigrants
We have agreed to take it "our" quota as a prosperous union
We are only 17th on the list of countries taking immigrants
As for rules the EU makes the UK Parliament didnt have to implement them into law but they chose to because its easy for them to do so and blame others for the problems
The ONLY gravy train is the UK, why did we leave because wealthy people told you to vote leave, why, so they dont have to pay taxes, so they can keep avoiding paying taxes and the general public do
Wo is more unelected the UK or the EU, easy the UK do you vote for head of state = no, do you vote for a party leader = no (unless your a member but not for this last PM as NOONE has voted for him), do you vote who goes into the House of Lords = NO , do you vote on who works in the civil service = No
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My view is bad. Economically 40% of our exports go there - if we fail to get a deal then they will all have to cost more, so people buy less and therefore as a country we are poorer. The argument that there is the rest of the world is true but we don't have a trading record with them and would need to build it up. I just think it is a huge risk. I maybe over cautious - to me though it would have been better to get reform from within so that we could have some limited trade deals on our own with countries but not blow all that away. Also the financial services sector in the UK is a huge deal - much of that is because London is inside the EU if we fail to get a deal that allows "passporting" of financial services we'll lose a lot of income to the country too.
Of course I'm only looking at trade there not at stuff like immigration, Northern Ireland, customs at ports etc.
It's very complicated - which is also why I think we don't really know what it means so I'd prefer to stay as we are.
@SW-User yes to me its about the trade, the culture
we do a lot of trade and a few of my freidns have lost there jobs becuase of the down turn as he compainies are now getting the goods from mainland eu countries
its a massive risk on what, a few porkies but to me why throw away so much to get what could be something a lot worse just look at the usa, china, inida, austrailia already saying for trade deals
yes we are better being in to make reform than being left behind and knocking on the door
as for customes i lvie near aport and the problem always been our government making the cut backs on staff
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I´ll make it easy for you...Brexit in only bad for PEOPLE, ok?
the EU generated thousands of jobs that Brexit would kill if it ever happens, and if it does it will be very expensive to set up Customs points between England and Scotland unless the English try to force Scotland and Ireland to leave too, so it looks like a very bad idea
@lorne13 well put, all brexit is doing is making us look stupid, first we want to opt out of certain eu things now we are leaving we want to opt in to certain eu things its all have our cake and eat it which will never happen.
i can see scotland pushing for another refurendum and also N ireland too because they are both not being represented as they both voted to remain all this is going to to do is push great divide in the uk and between wealth and poor
It’s good because it will stop more Polish people coming. There’s too many of them. I’m sick of them. My home town feels like Poland. I want them to go
@YouCanCallMeDan That why the UK took immigrants, the need for workers. But sometimes when something is gone, it doesn't come back. Is there a booming market for cobblers in the UK? What about blacksmiths? Or fletchers? Sailmakers? Do you have the same number of coal miners and commercial fishermen as you once had? And where do the computer parts come from? Domestically produced, or imported from Germany and Japan like most are? It's going to be a bumpy road indeed.
@YouCanCallMeDan the thing is the wheel isnt turning, the reason we have migrent workers is because a lot of brits see certain jobs as below them, or just look at the NHS it has survived ONLY because of migrent workers and look now over 100,000 jobs available the PM blocking letting in Doctors from other countries so whos goign to do the jobs........... no one and who suffers......... us
@Xuan12 yes we took migrents as a lot of britis see jobs as below them like cleaning toilets, sandwhich makers, field pickers, etc, etc but with brexit all its done has slowed down eu workers coming but wont stop migrents from the common wealth and thats where the majority of migrents come from and it doesnt help that the PM stopped allowing migrents who are Docotrs to help in the NHS. as for coal mines they are all closed now and we import our coal from china. fishermen voted to leave the eu but still want to trade with the eu becuase the eu buy the most fish. a lot of what we need now is all imported.
I believe that were it not for the bungling arrogance of the European Union and its demented and unforgiveable policy allowing ingrates to flood into Europe that Britain would have remained in the Union! England, in particular, is particulary annoyed that her culture, her peoples, should be subjected to such an 'unruly' group of no-hopers docking on whatever beach they can find and passing themselves off as merchandise in every available unlocked lorry!!
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It's certainly bad in the short term because no one knows what form it will take, and we're only 12 months from deadline. I travel around Europe for my job and at the moment there is a good chance I will be out of work this time next year.
@SW-User thats what i fear so many people will either lose thier jobs or will be forced to give up their jobs because of the extra cost, paperwork etc.
@SW-User thats not good hun i remeber my dad saying before the customs union it was hell trying to import and export goods all the paperwork the cost not knowing how long everything would be at custums.
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@milkymum1 There's exactly the issue - he can currently order something from France, Germany or Belgium and know exactly when it will be on his door and very rarely is it not. So he can delay ordering until he needs to - he'll have to up his prices, buy a bigger or another unit (already looking at one up the road) to hold more stock which puts his company at bigger risk.
The 'Remain' lobby say that if we leave we'll have to renegotiate trade and business deals with all the other E:U countries and those deals then have to be approved by the E:U and it's messy and some countries (France and Germany) will be deliberately obstructive since we chose to leave the 'Euro-club' and they're keen to ensure the message to other E:U members is....."Leave and we'll make life hard for you !" (That have an echo from history do you think ?)
Plus, Germany and France have bankrolled the E:U so where Britain currently pays 20% of the running costs. If we leave, they have to shoulder that 20% !
The Brexiteers (sounds like a gang of camp Pirates !) say that leaving is a good thing because Britain then gets to control it's OWN borders and can decide who comes in and goes (you don't get to make those decisions if you're in the E:U.....those decisions are made for you by others)
We can do business with countries [b]outside[/b] the E:U [b]without[/b] having to accept tariffs set by the E:U because those countries are not from the same trade bloc (countries within the E:U)
AND, my personal favourite, it finally makes ANY DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED UK GOVERNMENT responsible for it's people ! Without constantly making excuses that they don't have the power because those decisions are made within the E:U ! Meaning that if you disagree with the way your government is running things, citizens can make their disapproval known and the government then has to think carefully bout whether or not it's a policy worth persuing if there's a chance they may have an election thrown at them thus risking their hold on power.
You want to become a globalist slave with no personal liberty and total government control, then stay within the diabolical technocratic tyranny known as the EU.
If you wish to be free and choose your own destiny in life, break from the chains of liberal fairytales and socialism, enslavers of the human heart, mind and soul.
@therighttothink50 Personally, I hope there is a war and the military sides with the hard working people The rich eltists and coffee shop hipsters can suck it Let them taste the fruit of their labor.
@therighttothink50 thats so funny you say you want to be free and trade with who you want so then your be a gloabalist, and we are not free we are stil run by our governemtn our cilvil servents and our house of lords
@bhatjc thats why since 2010 with austraity the uk natioanl debt has gone up....... the worst thing is how the uk is run and not for the many but for the few.
I think it will be good for two reasons. First, it will make UK governments more accountable to their voters. Second, it should make us more outward-looking and internationalist. (I realise many Remainers think the opposite, and some Leavers wish the opposite, but I think it's true.)
However, it all depends what we, and successive governments, make of Brexit. As someone else commented, it will be a long time before anyone can say with confidence that Brexit has, or has not, been a good thing.
@MartinII i think our government have always hidden behind the eu and blamed them for evrything the problem is once we have left they wll still blame the eu or what ever country we are dealing with just look at china, india, austraila and usa already demanding for trade deals
i dont truest our government or at the moment this one as they are certianlly not looking or working for our interests
@milkymum1 I don’t think any recent government has hidden behind the EU. On the contrary, the Cameron government campaigned to remain in the EU and the Brown and Blair governments were very pro-EU. Of course it’s true that individual politicians have blamed the EU for all sorts of things.
As to the present government, I think it is doing its best to implement the decision of the majority while also representing the interests and opinions of the minority, which is what any responsible government would have had to try to do.
@mbfman for me its about time mps didnt have any other jobs or any other interests while they are mps as i cant name one that looks after the people who voted for him or her
I can't say if it will be good or bad but I do know the older generation mostly wanted it while the younger one mostly didn't. I think it was unfair to spring the issue at such an opportune moment as the young generation will be the one running the country and a few years later the vote would have swung in the other direction.
@MeisterAndrew My understanding is that analysis of voting in the referendum suggests that generational differences were much less than originally thought. Certainly there is no shortage of Remainers of pension age where I live!
@MeisterAndrew Yes that's true, and the vote wouldn't have turned out the way it did if the younger generations had decided to vote - most have said they didn't bother because they didn't think the leave vote would generate much support at all. It is ridiculous - the vote was really about the prejudices many of the older generation still hold.
As a person living in the uk presently I would have to say (a) Theresa May has committed political sucide (b) the problems involved globally for British citizens are untold and problematic in so many ways.(c) the value of sterling will fall against international currency etc,back to the Maggie thatcher days I think
Best reason to leave the EU would be not using the Euro anymore, but Britain never gave up the pound in the first place, so that's not an issue. Other than that it's just a gamble. You won't explicitly have to adhere to EU standards, but you may lose access to the common market, very bad. And there's no guarantee that many nations wouldn't insist on similar terms during individual trade negotiations. So in the end you may end up saddled with a quiltwork of complicated or equally onerous regulations anyway. Who knows?
@Xuan12 It’s true that the government is uncertain, and to some extent divided. But I don’t think it’s dragging its feet. Rather, it’s doing its best to negotiate with an opponent which is doing the same.
@daveal Well in all fairness, i think the E:U is in chaos anyway. It was always going to be in chaos when you start trying to align currencies of successful nations with those who are not. How could it be anything BUT ?
@milkymum1 I can't speak with much authority. May it is better to say the EU hasn't brought a lot of stability. The UK pulling out has left its future even more uncertain.
Are the folks there that promoted and voted for the exit still seeing it as a good idea?
@SomeMichGuy yes to me we should be offered a vote on the new deal or to stay as we are becuase lets face it i dont trust the tories to get a good deal for us as they are only interested in one thing.
@Picklebobble2 ok ask yourself this do you really think politicians represent us and our interests because if they did they wouldn't make the decisions they do.
As for the EU you blame the EU for the uK governments running of our country wasnt it the tories sold of all our infrastructure and the majority of our manufactiing to china, i didnt hear anyone then moaning about getting cheaper tvs, mobiles, etc.
DC deal was ok but he would have got a better deal if he hadnt insisted on that eu workers couldnt claim off the state for 7 years.
I think what DC expected was BJ to follow him and lead the remain campanign togther but he felt betrayed when BJ decided and i still feel he only decided when he spoke to the press .
i also think DC should have stayed to sort the mess he and his party have created.
@milkymum1 I don't blame the E:U for anything. But the seeds for the mess began during Thatcher's era. She sold off the industry and then got annoyed because she misjudged the entire future plan for Europe during the 80's.
Back then it was thought that trade blocs were the way to go Russia/China/Europe/USA/etc. But by reforming the common market into the E:U the balance of trade and power shifted toward Germany and France because of their own nationalized industries and the fact that they were the heaviest financial investors into the new E:U.
They wanted a single European currency. Britain didn't. If you can't trade your own currency within your own continent where does that leave you, independence wise ?.......It leaves you at the mercy of the European Central Bank and the poorest performers in Europe, and NOT the people within your OWN country !
They wanted freedom of movement, Britain didn't. Specifically because France has such a piss-poor attitude to manning their own borders and then either allowing them to settle illegally, or not containing them sufficiently so they then jump on flights; ferries or in the back of trucks and head to Britain, making it OUR job to look after them until we can either accommodate or extradite them back to their country of origin at our expense !
The UK Conservative party hate everybody ! They have this 'love-hate' relationship with Europe in that they want to be in it because of the possibility of doing business across the continent. Yet they hate everything the E:U stands for because none of it is in Britain's interest !
Having lost the referendum Cameron, i agree. Cameron should have stayed to fight for his country. But he didn't. Probably because of pressure from wealthy Tory backers who wanted 'pro-Europeans' in the cabinet and saw him as a 'eunuch' having played his best hand
