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Question for Trump voters; what do you think of the Air Strikes?

I ask because Trump ran on an anti-war platform and the opposite seems to be happening. I'm not asking to troll people and genuinely interested in what you people think. Is interventionist foreign policy what you want?

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SW-User

I saw something about how it cost nearly 300m dollars to bomb these people
and the proposal to fix flint michigan's water system only costs 55m

I mean this country wants to police other countries
but what about its people?

MrBrownstone · 46-50, M

@SW-User Agreed

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@SW-User Also agreed

jackjjackson · 61-69, M

✅ @SW-User

Fernie · F

Everything he said during the campaign and after the campaign is pure bullshit lies. He has no policies...Presidents with low popularity ratings...and his is THE lowest...NEED to start a war or fake start a war. This, like everything else in the galaxy is about him and nothing else.

TexChik · F

He ran on an anti war platform , not a wimps platform like his predecessor . We have forces in the area destroying any remnants of ISIS. Turning a blind eye emboldens enemies ... doing what you said you would do emboldens our allies . The left is busting a gut trying to find some way to discredit Trump for doing the right thing with the right response with the right coalition of allies . He absolutely did the right thing

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TexChik · F

@Burnley123 why do Libtards show someone’a quotes in boxes in their reply ? It’s as if you are trying to say ‘“ oh look, I have no life other than to be some annoying asshole “.

Haters are gonna hate Libtard ... it’s what you do .

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@TexChik Its the quote option you dumbass. Look at the two little dashes on the right-hand side above the text box.

Do you know the difference between insults and constructive criticism? Are you like this IRL too?

jackjjackson · 61-69, M

OK you two. The name calling of libtards and dumbass Must stop and gets no one anymore. Both of you please promise to stop name calling on this site.

It’s a matter of style. Some people quote the quote tool the site provides and other use keyboard quotes. I think both are equally acceptable. Quotes are often used to point out exactly to what the responder is responder.

I particularly like [b][big]THIS TOOL[/big][/b] that the site pleasantly provides. @Burnley123 @TexChik

Northwest · M

Weird, I was trying to click on Reply, in another part of this thread, but SW would not respond. Possibly because you're replying to someone who blocks me for political reasons.

[quote]if you like your doctor , you can keep your doctor[/quote]

Not part of this thread, but it's here, and you're responding to it. It's a partial quote, what was actually pushed was that you can keep your health plan and you can keep your doctor.

President Obama was not the only person to say that. It was repeated by nearly all Democrats involved in drafting the ACA. To assume that they're all liars, is a tall order. What happened is a colossal fuckup. When the original drafts were proposes, this would have been true, but by the time the thing was done, with all the compromises, it was no longer true.

A couple of problems emerged:

1. People with work provided insurance. That would be the majority of the population. The authors of the plan, neglected to add language, preventing employers from switching insurance plans, and some did, as previously they did not have to cover pre-existing conditions, so they switched to lower cost plans, with huge deductibles. So, technically, you no longer have your previous speaking, though to be fair, your employer has probably switched insurance carriers on you in the past.

2. There was no language, to prevent insurance companies, from canceling our your existing policy, and either pull out of the market, or offer you a much more expensive policy, something you could not afford.

The thing about it though, is that I have yet to meet a single Obama blamer, who can actually explain what that means, though they never hesitate to use it in their unrelated arguments.

jackjjackson · 61-69, M

Fortunately for me the employer plan works well even after switching carriers. I’m sure I’m blessed in this regard. I’ve purchasdd so. AFA polices for my adult kids during periods when close to graduation they did grad school full time after working and going to grad school up until the time when they could finish with one full time semester. While they worked as students and now that they’re done grad school and working they’ve had good employer coverage. With AFA policies it’s a matter of you get what you pay for. The terms of the plans, deductibles and coverage are clearly explained @Northwest

CountScrofula · 41-45, M

I keep an idle eye on a couple of the less horrific Trump communities online and the hardcore alt-right supporters are losing their minds over this because anti-interventionism was a clear part of Trump's platform.

100% pro-war, but stuff like Syria would be an absolute no-go.

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Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@CountScrofula Yes its written by Angela Nagle, who is an Irish leftist and also critical of Liberal Culture war. It has its critics because of the line it takes and a few errors but I think you would really want to read it.

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CountScrofula · 41-45, M

@LvChris Oh God I got an endorphin rush reading that.

TheOneyouwerewarnedabout · 41-45, MVIP

If it makes you feel better..
It’s worrisome that not one journalist or network wants an interview with Assad..

It’s like we can’t get one image or opinion from the other side of the fence..

It’s Vietnam and desert storm all over again..

Don’t worry folks, we’ll tell you all you need to know.. move along nothing to see here

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout Yes Asad is a bad guy too (in fact he's awful) but I don't think that is the motivation for the US involvement.

TheOneyouwerewarnedabout · 41-45, MVIP

@Burnley123 rewind 20 years every person on 60 minutes would already be in Syria . Cameras rolling.. but not in 2018

TheProphet · M

I'm ok with it.

Northwest · M

1. The strikes did not put a dent into Assad's ability to use shady weapons. He's using Chlorine, which is produced everywhere. When he does use Chlorine, he simply but it at a grocery store, and add it to his barrel bombs.

2. The cost of conducting this raid, was $300M-$500M, when you add the cost of munitions, personnel, deployment costs, etc. About $600M if you add the FX costs of doing Trump's hair, face, and other coloring, for the 9PM EST TV appearance. The cost of the "facilities" hit, is a teensy, weensy fraction of that.

3. Of course the raid, as you and others point out, represents a reversal of dozens of tweets, he did, when he was a candidate and even before, attacking Obama for "thinking" about hitting Syria. So, another Trump bait and switch.

4. The raid is not about the raid. It's Western Europe, using Trump, to tell Putin that his blatant and aggressive moves in Europe, are not going to be tolerated. It's a chance for May to distance herself from the extreme right, aligning itself with Putin. It's a chance for France to sell more weapons to the Saudis. For the US, it's whatever the military-industrial complex makes of it, because Trump has no clue.

5. The Russians did not fire any missiles. Pragmatically, it makes little for them to fire $Ms of missiles, to prevent the destruction of a couple of $M worth of decaying buildings. Strategically, it gives them justification to deliver new missile defense systems to Syria, to replace the antiquated, 40 year-old Soviet era air defenses the Syrians are currently using.

6. The only positive thing, is that there seems to be an effort to stand up to Putin, and that Europe is leading. In that sense, I support the bloodless strike, but that last part is sheer luck (if it turns out to be bloodless).

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jackjjackson · 61-69, M

I doubt Assad buys bleach in a grocery store to fill barrels.

Your hard and soft costs are question. France and Britain participated. I assume thr soft cost estimate was made to be funny.

I doubt you have a clue regarding Britian and France’s motivations other that what they have officially announced so you’ve take editorial liberty in making a guess to prove some sort of point you deem crucial.

For now I will rely on the Pentagon’s analysis of the results instead of yours.

You declared it a success and got that one correct.

@Northwest

Northwest · M

@jackjjackson [quote]I doubt Assad buys bleach in a grocery store to fill barrels. [/quote]

They have legal plants in Syria that produce Chlorine for commercial/residential use. I was not serious about buying it a grocery store, but the truth is not that exaggerated.

He's not filling barrels, he's using it strategically, by mixing it in with other explosives in barrel bombs. I read the local Arabic press.

[quote]Your hard and soft costs are question. France and Britain participated. I assume thr soft cost estimate was made to be funny. [/quote]

Yes, I added $100M for Trump's makeup. I did, however base my estimate on a French report, which took the published 2015 military breakdown of munitions, and deployment costs. I took that cost, divided it by 12, and multiplied it by 105. I read the local French news as well.

[quote]I doubt you have a clue regarding Britian and France’s motivations other that what they have officially announced so you’ve take editorial liberty in making a guess to prove some sort of point you deem crucial.[/quote]

I doubt you have a clue what I know. I read both the left leaning, and right leaning French press, and this has been the gist of their analysis. I am extrapolating for the UK. Macron, while caring about Syria, historically, Assad grandfather, was the driving power, behind wanting to detach the Alawite parts of Syria, and keeping it under the French mandate.

[quote]For now I will rely on the Pentagon’s analysis of the results instead of yours. [/quote]

What did the Pentagon say, that I disagreed with? If they said that Assad's ability to produce Sarin gas was crippled, I agree. That was taken care by Israel, years ago. They hit the same facilities. Note this is not what I discussed, so try to keep up.

[quote]You declared it a success and got that one correct. [/quote]

Not exactly what I said.

jackjjackson · 61-69, M

Oh I see. “You read it” @Northwest

Northwest · M

[quote]Its the quote option you dumbass. Look at the two little dashes on the right-hand side above the text box.[/quote]

Another post I can't respond to directly, so you're responding to someone who blocks me.

What is with Trump's supporters. A few of those who blocked me, and some of those who don't, have a coronary, because I use the quote option. I second your dumbass remark.

I use the quote option because it crates a better flow, and to make sure they don't modify their posts (and some try).

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Northwest · M

@jackjjackson For a realistic view of what his head may look like, you should see a picture of his brother. I've seen a picture, and it's a chrome dome, with a white side ring.

jackjjackson · 61-69, M

Robert seems to have some hair and maybe a combover. Are you thinking of Fred Jr?

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@Northwest

Northwest · M

@jackjjackson It's not Robert, so it must have been Fred Jr.

GunSmoke9 · 56-60, M

When chemical weapons are used a message has to be sent. I wanted him to also hit planes, runways. Quick hits then leave. He should of done it without announcing it.

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Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@GunSmoke9 Yes it's out of cenvenience, the same with Russia and Iran. Its their bad guy against our bad guy but I don't see that as a good reason to get involved in a war.

GunSmoke9 · 56-60, M

@Burnley123 I don't want a war either. Peace seems to be out of the question to.

TheOneyouwerewarnedabout · 41-45, MVIP

I wonder if Iran isn’t getting the uranium nobody wants to talk about.. Russia is just passing it on for a profit?... 🤔

JoyfulSilence · 46-50, M

Sounds like he is Wagging the Dog.

Soon we will be invading Albania.

TheOneyouwerewarnedabout · 41-45, MVIP

Putin’s problem.. he’s supposed to police the Chen weapons.. he failed.. end of story

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jackjjackson · 61-69, M

What makes you say things are escalating? @Burnley123

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@jackjjackson I mean the rhetoric has been really big, from Trump's twitter and elsewhere.

jackjjackson · 61-69, M

That means something because ...... @Burnley123

MrBrownstone · 46-50, M

Don’t remember him being anti war

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Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@MrBrownstone He did loads of tweets specifically against intervention in Syria. This is one:

"AGAIN, TO OUR VERY FOOLISH LEADER, DO NOT ATTACK SYRIA - IF YOU DO MANY VERY BAD THINGS WILL HAPPEN & FROM THAT FIGHT THE U.S. GETS NOTHING!"

MrBrownstone · 46-50, M

@Burnley123 So wanting to send military ships to North Korea made him anti war? He just chose where to strike.

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@MrBrownstone I'm not sure what to say. I think the tweets are pretty clear and against intervention.

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puck61

It was the right thing to do. Trump bashers will spin it to their liking. Trump haters will hate Trump no matter what he does.

Sharky86 · 36-40, M

If they're like him, they just don't know the answer.

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@Sharky86 TBF a lot of them are answering and have some reasonable points.

Kevin19 · 22-25, M

Nope. American dollars are worth more that Syrian lives like you said.

swirlie · 31-35, F

Not a Trump supporter, but Trump's shell-shocked look on his face appearing as if he had just suffered a massive stroke as he broadcast to the world on Friday night, that the USA was now partnered with Allied Forces to strike at Assad, would lead me to believe that Trump was being dictated to from someone who actually knew what was going on in the world. I don't believe that Trump had any clue whatsoever about what he was actually engaged in militarily until the smoke cleared and someone told him it was all over.

jackjjackson · 61-69, M

You’re implying he LISTENED to someone qualified to advise him? @swirlie

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