is america more racist than it was during and before the civil rights movements

@Mamapolo2016 Thanks for best answer but I betcha better ones are coming. And of course, instead of mourning America's faults, we can examine our own thoughts and behavior, and before we know it, it will be better still.

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@Xuan12 ahh , obama inserted himself into the Trayvon Martin case and made supportive statements about a known common street thug . Presidents are not supposed to publicize opinions in active investigations , or send the DOJ and Eric Holder into facilitate the prosecution of a state murder trial... yet he did

He allowed Eric Holder to go in and take over police departments like the one in Ferguson Missouri and lord over the officers with threats of charges of discrimination and excessive use of force because the perps were always African American .

Obama and holder implemented the promise program . They couldn’t stop the crime rate of young black men but they could keep them from being arrested ... by paying local police departments that cooperated . That way they could claim they were responsible for keeping blacks out of jail. They had to ultimately include All races to avoid appearing racist .., but they did take credit for falsely lowering the Black crime rate .

Then in Baltimore... with the full attention of the obama DOJ , a black criminal just out of the hospital was arrested for selling drugs . He was injured and died during his arrest ... and they tried to publicslly prosecute the cops and the black mayor allowed the rioters ( many were at Ferguson) to have a path of destruction ... but when it all went south and an honest judge through out the case ... obama disappeared .

Then the war on cops , which the obama administration fanned into a flame , was anothe Black versus white dispute. Racism and racial violence spiked during the obama years . The left still try’s to push the white privilege narrative .., but at illegals and Hispanics now more than blacks . Those are the facts . They happened, they were reported on... so the denials start in 3-2-1...🙄

[quote]Presidents are not supposed to publicize opinions in active investigations[/quote]

INTERESTING! HMMMM....I don't really need to say it, right?

Two things worth noting. A federal investigation into the Trayvon Martin case is not contraindicated by the Constitution. But whether or not that type of case (civil rights) should be pursued in this way is a different matter. In any case, Zimmerman acted foolishly. Calling 911 because he saw a black teenager, then following that teenager as he's trying to move away from Zimmerman, then ultimately getting involved in a situation where he killed him. I can see why people were highly suspicious of Zimmerman's motives. But in the end, no federal charges were filed.

And when the investigation into the events in Michael Brown were being conducted, the Justice department sided with the Officer. The following March, when 2 officers were ambushed by a shooter, Holder and Obama both came to the officers' side, and Jeffrey L. Williams, a young black male, was arrested and charged and convicted of that crime.

As far as the promise program goes, I don't even know what that is. But looking it up, it turns out it's a crime prevention program that was initially aimed at minorities. That is a little racist, but against the minorities. I don't think that's quite what you're accusing Obama of. But the program was opened up to all races, and unfortunately in order to meet the programs standards, people were incentivized to simply not report. Clearly not the intention of the program, but the result. Similar to No Child Left Behind, the intention didn't match the result.

As for the Freddie Gray case, I think that's what you're referring too, I can't quite pin down what your complaint is. Are you complaining that charges weren't brought against the police? Because they weren't. Not by the federal government anyway. The State brought some charges, but none of the officers were convicted, though some did face disciplinary action.

Then there's this war on cops you speak of. But in these examples given, the DOJ either sides with, or never charges the police. So I'm not sure what you're standing on here.

I also happen to remember the Henry Louis Gates controversy, in which a black professor was accusing a white cop of racial discrimination. They had lunch with Obama to talk it out, and afterward both men said they had a good opinion of one another.

I'm not trying to make Obama out to be a saint here, but my point is that these feelings of him being the source of recent racism just seem misplaced. Likewise, I don't think Trump is the source of it, nor that he's exceedingly racist...maybe a little bit in a casual way, but he doesn't strike me as a deep, engrained racist. I think the biggest problem that he has is in that respect is that racist groups, white supremacists in particular, are very vocally supportive of him, they seem to view him as some kind of return to whiteness.

In any case, I don't think these recent events are either of these men's fault, not in a direct sense anyway. The more important aspect of this is how they handle it.

@Xuan12 And people have used the Henry Gates incident (where wasn’t he accused of breaking into his own home ?) to accuse Obama of “reverse racism” because he was willing to listen to Gates.

Okay. But hate crimes have also increased in places where Trump is not President, against Jews in Europe, an an example. I know cause and effect is hard to prove in such matters - but then again, cause and effect is hard to prove in such matters.

I've already said I'm not fond of Trump as a person.

I agree Trump seriously fumbled the ball on the white supremacists.

Your statement 'he knows that's (white supremacists) where his support largely comes from' leaves me wanting facts, not allegations. Disregarding what he knows or doesn't, what foundation in fact does that statement have? I know lots of people who, while they didn't much like Trump, supported him because his opponent was unacceptable. and I don't hang with white supremacists. I don't hang with people who don't want their daughter to date 'out of race'.

I don't think Trump is a sterling character. You don't get that rich being a sterling character. i've read enough about past Presidents to know that sometimes, as wrong as their personal thinking may be, they do the right things. Will we say that of Trump? I don't know yet.

I want to know what you hang your arguments on, because if you're right factually, I'm on your team.

I am not a Trump apologist although I do believe a great many of his actions so far will go some distance toward bringing our country back to a somewhat even keel. Reversing government regulation, for example.
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@Mamapolo2016 [quote]Your statement 'he knows that's (white supremacists) where his support largely comes from' leaves me wanting facts, not allegations. Disregarding what he knows or doesn't, what foundation in fact does that statement have?[/quote]

I'm sorry, you've either been paying attention or you haven't.

[quote]I am not a Trump apologist although I do believe a great many of his actions so far will go some distance toward bringing our country back to a somewhat even keel. [/quote]

Then, unfortunately you [b]are[/b]. And I'm wasting my time.

@bijouxbroussard I guess we both are. Thanks for your time.

@bijouxbroussard Tell me how that's true. That's not a shutdown, it's a sincere question. If you don't want to hijack the post, PM me.

@Mamapolo2016 Which part, Obama as a moderate ? Or Trump's intent on reversing all of the legislation during Obama's administration with the same zeal that Congress reversed the gains of Reconstruction ?

@bijouxbroussard I'm okay with Obama as a moderate - I'm also okay with Trump as as neither a liberal or conservative but as some peculiar variety all his own. And I do not find Trump in the least likeable, but likeability is not an issue for me.

Yes, the latter, chapter and verse so I can look at it and decide for myself. Dramatic statements do not equal truth. Facts equal truth (and yes, President Trump is truth-impaired). Most Presidents are, because truth-telling is not how you become President.

@SW-User I believe that’s true. He has given racism a voice again.

@Qwerty14 Obviously this is sarcasm.