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therighttothink50 · 56-60, M
Because the only way socialism can thrive is by creating a cult of group "thought" drones. Once this group thought cult is established, it is bound to clash with people who hold dear individual liberty, critical thinking and logic.
All throughout history the left has been dreaming of a world where a world government creates a slave race which all walks, talks and "thinks" alike. Only then can they create their cookie cutter automaton world of robotic drones who will all march in lockstep to the beat of one drum. Creating a slave race and a few elite scumbags who control them. It is much easier to control the collective, the individual is the greatest threat to socialism.
All throughout history the left has been dreaming of a world where a world government creates a slave race which all walks, talks and "thinks" alike. Only then can they create their cookie cutter automaton world of robotic drones who will all march in lockstep to the beat of one drum. Creating a slave race and a few elite scumbags who control them. It is much easier to control the collective, the individual is the greatest threat to socialism.
@Sicarium In order for a society to exist in relative comfort, there has to be a measure of collectivism as well as a measure of individualism. Taxation is a necessary evil that provides for upkeep of infrastructure and things like education and civil defense or law enforcement. Do you have a better idea?
Sicarium · 46-50, M
@puck61 That's not what collectivism is though. You're getting into the social contract stuff, which was entirely based on individualism. It's the reasoning why someone who was born into a society are part of that society without their expressed willingness. The gist of the social contract says that once you've partaken in that society, you've expressed willingness. That can only be important if the individual is important.
Collectivism doesn't even bother. It just says you're a member of this group merely because you exist. You have no say, no choice. And if you degrade the group, you are expendable.
Taxation, education, and civil defense aren't collectivism. They're not byproducts of collectivism. Individualism or collectivism would be the reason you have the them, the explanation or the force. But they are not the source of society.
Collectivism doesn't even bother. It just says you're a member of this group merely because you exist. You have no say, no choice. And if you degrade the group, you are expendable.
Taxation, education, and civil defense aren't collectivism. They're not byproducts of collectivism. Individualism or collectivism would be the reason you have the them, the explanation or the force. But they are not the source of society.
revenant · F
Too much of one or the other is not good imo. No man is an island as the saying goes and we all need support as well as directions from the what..in group..tribe..family ..whatever one might call it. It must be very lonely too. Too much collectivism and there is no responsibility for one's actions, not much progress, not much initiative, more victim to shame tactics, stifflement and you get hammered down like the proverbial nail.
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Sicarium · 46-50, M
@revenant Nah, you expressed it fine. I just think you're seeing a softer side of collectivism that doesn't exist. Society, family, social groups, these things aren't collectivism. They actually form a threat to collectivism; they're a competing group for someone to belong to, competing loyalties. What I think you're calling the happy medium between the two is purely individualism, there's no collectivism there.
MrBrownstone · 46-50, M
MartinTheFirst · 22-25, M