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Do whites need to pay for sins of the past?

OggggO · 36-40, M
This is hilarious coming from someone using a Confederate battle flag as their avatar.
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Before we get ahead of ourselves, why doesn't everyone just try not to be an arsehole towards other human beings? Can we at least get there first before we start on the whole "sins of the past" shit?
Firespirit · 26-30, M
@WittyKittyfeelinShitty With the culture of mod mentality idk man
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
I think reparations based on race is a silly idea and I say that as a leftist.

However, celebrating a racist past is abysmal politics and your avi does that. #charlottesville
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Firespirit So are you a fascist or a Nazi?
Firespirit · 26-30, M
@Burnley123 I am a liberal If you must know
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
OK. Right
AlphaCuckTX · 56-60, M
Why limit it to whites.
There are numerous Muslim groups that enslave people who have different religious beliefs and sell them as sex slaves.
In some Asian countries the poorest families will sell their children, sometimes to a brothel to make ends meet.
One of the first slave owners in the United states was a black man named Anthony Johnson.
Shouldn't all black people with the surname Johnson make reparations too?
Firespirit · 26-30, M
@AlphaCuckTX Yes lets make them all pay even the orphans
AlphaCuckTX · 56-60, M
Nah I'm out. Now it sounds too much like one of the isms. Communism, Socialism, Fascism...
Firespirit · 26-30, M
capitalism
Newandimproved · 61-69, M
I don't think my family ever owned slaves
Don't know who fought on which side of the civil war.
So I don't feel.any responsibility for slavery. Don't think i have any rich family that did either.
That being said I think it is sad that we don't teach how badly populations suffered in our history
The slaves
The indentured servants
Asians
And ethnic groups lile the itish, Italians and others
Cierzo · M
Of course not. The fact some people may think the opposite is a sign of how sick our times are
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lorne13 · 61-69, M
first they should stop the sins of the present
Firespirit · 26-30, M
@lorne13 Like?
lorne13 · 61-69, M
@Firespirit building oil pipelines on native land, racsim in the police...
Firespirit · 26-30, M
@lorne13 I think you are talking about rich business men not all white people and are we talking about racial profiling or the shooting as of late?
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TeresaRudolph71 · 51-55, F
No. The only sins we each need to pay for are our own. Whatever our ancestors may have done is not our fault and we should not be punished for it. By the way, my great grandparents came to this country after slavery had been abolished, so not even my ancestors had anything to do with slavery.
Northwest · M
Why can't we simply look forward, and try to do what we can, to fix the conditions, created through the sins of our fathers? It's not about paying retribution, but work toward equality.
TeresaRudolph71 · 51-55, F
@Northwest I would love to see us work toward equality, but how to go about it is the big question.

I don't like Affirmative Action, as I feel that this punishes whites. I just want to see people have equal opportunities (though this wouldn't necessarily guarantee equal outcomes), and see people get hired based solely on skills, qualifications, and merit, without race influencing it one way or another.

Some people seem to think that employers will NEVER be able to be trusted to not let race influence their hiring, firing, and promoting decisions, but I don't think it has to be that hopeless. I'm impatient for the day when this will not only be possible, it will become reality.
Northwest · M
@TeresaRudolph71 Equal opportunity, does not mean equal outcome. It never does. While we should all have equal rights, we're not all born equal. We're all individuals, with different IQs, skin color, height, weight, eye color, hair color, natural abilities, defects, and so forth and so on.

Affirmative Action, was needed, to initiate a correction, and set things in the right direction. I did not see it as being discriminatory against whites, because whites still had the overwhelming majority of school spots, jobs, etc. While the whites were not responsible for the conditions, hundreds of years ago, that led to the current state of affairs, but in a zero-sum world, they still benefited from it.

Having said that, what was needed for affirmative action to work, was total acceptance, and full integration. This did not happen. It's 2018, and it still has not happened. My neighborhood, does not have a single black family. It's slowly being taken over by oriental and Indian families, but still no black families, and only one half Latino family.

In any case, we still lack a credible solution. While you can't really know what's in people's hearts, what I pick up from those who voted for Trump (for reasons other than abortion), is that they feel minorities have been given enough, but they did not make the best of it, so they are to blame for their situation, and it's time we refocus on what whites America.

This is a simplistic way of looking at it, and masks the real reason why we still have a problem: we still think of it as "us" and "them", as opposed to USa.
Firespirit · 26-30, M
@OfflineFriend but muh slavery reparations
Firespirit · 26-30, M
@Ramon67 but slavery and segregation of blacks and minority's
abe182 · 46-50, M
Well, I certainly don't think we should race albinos in a snow storm! Ohh... I am a pink person!
Donna15 · 41-45, F
define whites, sin, past....but I'd have to say no
Yes, and they will never stop paying.
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